Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 27

Thread: Incorporating JJ-Trek into campaigns

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    3,490

    Incorporating JJ-Trek into campaigns

    While I'm going to ignore the alternate history parts of JJ-Trek, I've decided to use the 2287 events as background. As of 2282, a Narada-type mining platform has been sent to Cretok Nor's system, and there is beginning to be some unrest in the Romulan delegation, as they are aware of the impending supernova. Ambassador Spock and a team of Vulcan scientists are already hard at work trying to come up with a solution. I'm keeping the so-called "red matter" a closely held state secret, mostly so I don't have to deal with its scientific implausibility. I plan to have the Rommies try to decentralise (pretty much unsuccessfully, in the aftermath of Nemesis) before the event, but the Star Empire will be finished as a major player. There will probably be a revolt among the Remans and a possible alliance with the IKS. Much fun can be made from this.

    How do you intend to treat it? Ignore it, incorporate it, or what?
    Last edited by Owen E Oulton; 02-25-2011 at 04:58 PM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    The place with the spare organs
    Posts
    35
    Treat Red Matter as a form of condensed or degenerate matter. The stuff that neutron stars and such are made from. It is one step away from exploding into pure energy... or if you keep it under technobabble suspension the right amount of gravity-manipulation will cause it to implode into a short-lived singularity. A quantum black hole. Quickly evaporates into Hawking radiation and microwaves. Quickly as defined as number of 1D6 second per microgram. Use a dice mechanic of your choice to determine if by some quantum fluke it becomes stable and lasts 2D6 minutes longer than anticipated. Roll again to determine if it becomes a wormhole... game-master discretion as to where it leads.

    As for the political aspect... I see the situation leading to where we were in AGT. The Klingons eager for blood pounce on what is left of the Romulan worlds. The Federation is busy trying to deal with the Klingons and trying to assist the Romulans who ask for help.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    3,490
    Thanks. I hadn't thought of the similarity to AGT. I'll have to look into that!

  4. #4
    Okay, stop me if you've heard this one: They divide the empire into two halves...
    Portfolio | Blog Currently Running: Call of Cthulhu, Star Trek GUMSHOE Currently Playing: DramaSystem, Swords & Wizardry

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    The place with the spare organs
    Posts
    35

    How the narada actually mines ore

    MINING PROCEDURE FOR LARGE TYPICAL PLANETARY OBJECTS AND MOONS:

    1) Orbit planet.

    2) Locate ore concentration.

    3) Descend partway into atmosphere and engage station-keeping mode.

    4) Run mining specialty software to determine drilling locations.

    5) Deploy drilling platform. With beam set to WIDE ANGLE burn away overburden. Drill shafts to specified depth.

    6) Drop mining charges into shafts. Detonate charges

    7) Using automated drones and shuttles retrieve chunks of ore-laden materials.

    8) Retract drill and repeat procedure until all ore has been stripped from planet or moon.

    (Note: In low gravity situations such as as a MERCURY type body or a LUNA type moon some ore will escape the gravity well. Procedure is to deploy "catch tentacles" in a wide dispersal pattern and activate the micro tractor-beams in each tentacle.)


    ASTEROID MINING PROCEDURE FOR OBJECTS SMALLER THAN VESSEL:


    1) Locate ore-rich asteroid.

    2) Deploy tentacle structures to surround object.

    3) Activate micro-beam assemblies in each arm to burn away the over-burden (if present).

    4) Using transporters beam mining charges to appropriate locations. Detonate charges to fracture object.

    5) Use micro tractor-beams to pull fragments into the cargo-hold for processing


    FOR OBJECTS LARGER THAN THE VESSEL: Use mining beam and mining charges to fracture object into easy to process chunks.


    -----

    Add appropriate skill checks where you see fit.

    I came up with this after watching the movie again last night. Planetary mining on this scale would require a high degree of automation and some serious skill. For example you'd have to be able to evaluate the location of fault-lines. Will detonating charges HERE affect the rest of the planet? If I detonate my charges in this type of atmosphere will I set off a catastophic reaction that will damage the drill and/or the vessel?


    The Romulan mining method described above would also be usable for planatary assault... which is what we see Nero doing. Perhaps those seismic disturbances that were reported were the result of Nero triggering fault lines in a deliberate attempt to distract the Vulcan Command from his true efforts.

    I have no trouble envisioning a "Simple Miner" like Nero having been conscripted into the military for X number of years where he learned planetary fracturing and seismic attack methods. Once he served his time he hooked up with a "civilian" mining outfit and quickly earned command of his own platform.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Wales, UK
    Posts
    157
    Slightly off-topic, but the Death Star would have been an excellent mining platform!

    I've built the 2387 supernova into my ongoing Trek saga - with a Vulcan officer being 'warned' by a temporal castaway 20 years before the fact. Ensign Tessin knows that Romulus and Remus will be wiped out - but she has no actual proof. It's causing her a lot of sleepless nights.

    With a little luck, I plan to have my campaign deal with the post-nova mess.

  7. #7
    For a campaign I'm hoping to start up soon, which is going to be set shortly after the destruction of Romulus, I was figuring that the Empire would split into a civil war as various figures sought to restart the Empire but with themselves as the head. The Klingons would use this as an excuse to start claiming territory and a weak border conflict begins.

    As for the events of the new Trek film, most of it is going to be ignored since it's an alternate timeline and I prefer to see where "our" universe is going.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    fringes of civillization
    Posts
    903

    just some of my thoughts

    There is a lot of drama to be had in the impending supernova: What would an aggressive gov't like the Star Empire do knowing they were doomed? Attack all their old enemies and go out in a blaze of glory? Try to move their whole civilization (again)?

    The Klingons would most likely strike their old foe/ally at the most vulnerable moments, which would put the FED in a difficult postion; help their first enemy, and risk losing the alliance with the Klingons, or turn a blind eye and do nothing.

    As for the Narada, in one of the Trek graphic novels, it is revealed that Borg tech made it the monstrosity we see in the film, but I would think a mining ship would be kinda big anyway.

    Lastly, as the the other time line: maybe do the old comic "What If/Elseworlds" with it someday; a nice little crossover to mix stuff up.
    _________________
    "Yes, it's the Apocalypse alright. I always thought I'd have a hand in it"
    Professor Farnsworth

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Wales, UK
    Posts
    157
    I can see the 'claw structure' of most of the Nerada being there to serve a dual purpose.

    First - it's the outline of the ore storage volume. Why bother building a pressurised hull big enough to contain millions of tons of semi-pure minerals? Tractor beams can hold the stuff in place.
    Second - the 'claws' define the perimeter of the shield bubble. The operators are going to want to protect the materials they have just extracted.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    143
    For my campaign, I'm ignoring the whole film. Star Trek Online is set in the early 25th Century of real Trek, however, and incorporates the destruction of Romulus.

    I just don't find the supernova credible- how could two inhabitable worlds circle a sun about to go supernova without it being noticed already? Why would Romulus even have been settled by spacefaring Vulcan refugees if the sun was close to supernova?

    Finally, the Romulans use compressed black holes in their stardrives- surely of all the interstellar great powers, they are best equipped to minimize or control a supernova at least long enough to provide time for an evacuation?

    Plus, Romulans are one of my crew's favourite baddies...

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazza View Post
    I just don't find the supernova credible- how could two inhabitable worlds circle a sun about to go supernova without it being noticed already?
    In Countdown, the supernova was a star called Hobus, not the Romulan primary star.

    And it might not have been a natural phenomenon.

    Finally, the Romulans use compressed black holes in their stardrives- surely of all the interstellar great powers, they are best equipped to minimize or control a supernova at least long enough to provide time for an evacuation?
    Like Praxis, there's vanishingly little we're told about the event, so the actual events involved–whether it's natural or artificial, whether something was tried and failed or tried and sabotaged–are up to Narrators to use.

    If you want to keep Romulus and include the supernova for lip service to canon, an adventure where the PCs travel back in time to prevent it might be in order.

    Plus, Romulans are one of my crew's favourite baddies...
    Well, a couple planets does not an Empire make...
    Portfolio | Blog Currently Running: Call of Cthulhu, Star Trek GUMSHOE Currently Playing: DramaSystem, Swords & Wizardry

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    143
    I am not convinced that the destruction of Romulus in the "prime" universe is the only interpretation of canon, but I think whenever you get reboots involved these things get complicated. There is a lot more wrong with the Abramsverse than can be explained by the single time travel incident so frankly I am more comfortable with the whole movie being a reboot. Fine for what it is, but non-canon wrt the original universe in which my series is set.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Salinas, Calif., USA (a Chiefs fan in an unholy land)
    Posts
    3,379
    My .02Cr...

    First, we should classify this as an unprecedented stellar event that created what could only be described as a subspace explosion. To go with a pseudo-scientific result, I'd say this "subspace supernova" (for lack of a better term) consumed all the interstellar medium in its path, and also any larger bodies, like Romulus and (likely) the rest of the Romulan System. Given that, to even threaten Romulus, the event had to be a faster-than-light event, it would almost-certainly create short or long-term navigational effects in that region of space. (Let's assume Hobus was 6-12 ly from Romulus, somewhere within the boundaries of the star empire. This would mean the explosion was traveling at a velocity of approximately wf9-9.25 (MCU).)

    Second, the Romulans probably only had 2-3 days' notice at best, given that the Vulcan's "fastest ship" was likely close to Voyager's wf9.982 (MCU) top speed (I estimated it at 7000c). At that speed, the Jellyfish would take a little over three days to reach Romulus (60ly away, according to Star Charts). Complicate this with the fact that the stellar event itself was unprecedented; the Romulans may not have immediately realized that the Hobus subspace supernova was a threat to their star system.

    Using a 6ly radius blast from within the RSE (that doesn't threaten Federation outposts before the destruction of Romulus), Star Charts inhabited planets Menkent, Terix, Belak and Algorab would also have perished. Nearby systems Romii, T'Met, Gacrux and Archenar would have survived.

    The result is that most Romulans living in the Romulan system perished before they could evacuate, as well as any Romulans living on colonies within the path of the event. I would expect that the Romulan military and civilian leadership survived (they, at least, would be evacuated), though the total number of surviving Romulans likely number in the millions (or less, considering their penchant for isolationism).

    So, what we have is a relatively new Praetor (less than nine years in office) having to move his seat of government to Romii (the closest surviving Romulan system). He was likely still in consolidating his power base, still dealing with enemies and forming lasting (well, in a relative sense) alliances. Some of the problems would have been eliminated, others exacerbated. Regardless, his grip on power is likely more tenuous...unless he acts decisively.

    The Praetor broadcasts an impassioned speech, dedicating himself to rebuilding the glory of Romulus, calling on his fellow Romans to help him and warning the enemies of the empire that while it may be wounded, it is still a powerful force to be reckoned with (the RSN is likely still mostly intact). The star empire turns inward in a massive national project to turn Romii into the new center of Romulan culture. They attempt to defend their border against the Klingons, while continuing diplomatic overtures to the Federation (mostly in the hopes that the Federation will keep the Klingon dogs at bay).

    If forced to fight, they will, but they would prefer to isolate themselves for a while to rebuild their strength.

    However, I think that there will be more Neros out there than the Praetor desires...and some of them will be wearing a naval uniform...or, worse, a Tal Shiar uniform...those who have lost just about everything have nothing to lose, and with a battleship at their command, like along the Federation border will be "interesting" for a while...
    Davy Jones

    "Frightened? My dear, you are looking at a man who has laughed in the face of death, sneered at doom, and chuckled at catastrophe! I was petrified."
    -- The Wizard of Oz

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    South Wales, UK
    Posts
    157
    We've had 'stellar-level' events before; the Praxis accident and the Amargosa collapse come to mind. Leaving aside the flat 'blast wave' of Praxis, which smacked into Excelsior light-years away from Kronos, the devastation of such an occurrence surely would have come to the notice of the 'true patriots' of Section 31...

    Who's to say that Section 31 didn't get wind of some terrible Romulan plot aimed at the Federation, so to stop it they use some super-gadget they had hidden away - only for it to go terribly wrong...

  15. #15
    In STO there is some hint that the Remans may have had a hand in the destruction of the Hobus star to force their desire for Independence. It's STO and not canon but has makes some sense to me.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •