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    As we've seen from TNG, to achieve a Cmd rank of a non command branch. One must be qualified to command ie take charge of the ship (starship cmd)
    While Deanna took command whenshe was a LtCmd in Diaster. Guess she was bridge certified!

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    Cool

    Actually, she wasn't. It was that very emergency situation leaving her in command that prompted her to take the bridge cert test in "Thine Own Self".



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    I've never understood why Operations was a branch rather than merely a duty assignment. I think it occured because everybody is used to the idea of every seat on the bridge being another branch. As is clearly shown from the lower decks episode with Sito Jaxa anyone with Tactical or Engineering training could do the job... in my universe the "Ops" branch doesn't exist (Since, AFAIK, the Ops "branch" is never mentioned on screen... only the Ops "position) it's a position filled by Security or Engineering officers... it gives the commander a chance to evaluate the crewmember's performance directly, and exposes them to bridge operations.

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    Hey, whatever works in each and his own universe. Though there's been 3 branches since the founding of the federation, so thats good enough for me

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    Well... There have always been FIVE branches, THREE colors

    Command

    Security/ Engineering

    Science/ Medical

    I let players use the Ops overlay, but they have to pick either Command, Engineering or Security as their Branch and select skills with that in mind. One player successfully made a Science branch character... a sensors and computer specialist... Could have been Engineering just as well, but the player decided to focus more on the "theoretical" aspects of technology than the applications.

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    Well 3 department/branches and 5 sub dpt/branches

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    Calguard, have you seen "Trials and Tribble-ations"?

    "In the 23rd century, Command wore gold, Operations wore red-"
    "And women wore less."

    That makes it canon, IMO.

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    Hmm...interesting. I just watched the VOY episode Live Fast and Prosper, and it was mentioned that Janeway was a science officer aboard the USS Can'tRememberTheName before taking command of the Voyager.

    Just wondering how this would slot in, or should we just put it down to VOY space-time anomalies (the same ones that keep bringing back destroyed shuttles and repairing the damage sustained by the ship each week )?

    Thoughts?

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    Remember, Spock was Science branch, too, but also First Officer. Further he was offered his own command, but refused (for other reasons than Riker).

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    Originally posted by Sarge:
    Calguard, have you seen "Trials and Tribble-ations"?

    "In the 23rd century, Command wore gold, Operations wore red-"
    "And women wore less."

    That makes it canon, IMO.

    It makes it canon that there was a division on the ship known as Operations, made up of people who wore Red uniforms(Engineering and Security)... not that there was a separate school for "operations officers"... was Scotty Operations? nope... Engineering. Were the security goons Operations? Nope... Security. Which character from TOS was Operations? Uhura is pretty clearly a pure communications specialist, but the person at the Ops station clearly does more than communications... in fact, they rarely handle commo issues.

    Operations may be the Division/ Department on the ship that a Security or Engineering officer (or crewman) belongs to, that doesn't mean that it's a branch unto itself.

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    Time to throw in my two cents...

    For mine, there are three main divisions: Command, Operations, Science.

    Within these divisions, there are the following departments:
    Command - none;
    Operations - Engineering, Security;
    Science - Medical.

    Medical has the Counsellor as a sub-department.

    Thus, if you're not part of the Engineering or Security departments, you fall under the more general umbrella of Operations; similarly, Medicine is simply one area of specialistation (albiet a large one) of Sciences.

    That's my take, anyway...

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    OK Time to prove I go to far into designing my ship. The ship in my campain is a Galaxy class vessel, the USS ATLANTIS, The Command branch consists of CO, XO, Intelligence, Communications, and Administration Depts. The Operations branch consists of Chief Ops Officer, Engineering, Security, and Supply, and the Science just includes the Medical with the councelor falling under it. If course I have sub branches under those. And how many people are assigned to each branch. That way my players know exactly where they fit in the command structure and where they can move up to. I have a Lieutenant Commander who as an Ensign started as an Impulse Propulsion Engineer Officer, With 3 Enlisted specialist under him. Promoted to Chief Propulsion Officer over the Warp and Impulse systems with Ensigns, NCOs, and Enlisted under him. Now he is Chief Engineer.
    Everything is kept on three pages, It helps keep track of NPCs and assist players in forming away teams.
    I won't even go into what I've done for the Deck Layouts LOL

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    Originally posted by calguard66:
    I've never understood why Operations was a branch rather than merely a duty assignment. I think it occured because everybody is used to the idea of every seat on the bridge being another branch.
    Actually you couldn't be more wrong. In ST The Original Series not only was everyone grouped according to the branch colors (gold, red and blue) but within those branches their emblem on the ship's insignia marked which department. If you look at Kirk's delta shield emblem on his gold shirt, it is very different from Spock's emblem on his blue shirt. Spock's is different from McCoy or Chapel who also wore blue uniforms. Scotty's emblem was different from those worn by the other red shirts who beamed down and were killed.

    So clearly even back in the 1960s the show's creators had crew memebers grouped according to branches as well as departments.

    In the movies this was confused because almost every department and sub department had it's own color.

    In The Next Generation era the colors were switched from TOS era but they clearly were still in use.

    Ops is a duty station on the bridge but Ops officers wear gold uniforms as do all the engineering and security officers.

    Command officers, including JAG officers, tactical officers, IG officers and diplomats wear the red uniforms.

    Science officers, medical personnel and couselors wear blue uniforms.

    Not only has it been cleared defined on screen but it is clearly stated in all the cannon books published by Paramount. I don't understand why there is any confusion.

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    Tactical Officers wear yellow not red except Worf in the first TNG episodes till Tasha Yar died.
    In DS9 Worf wears red again but I actually think he changed branches to Command.

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    Originally posted by WAn:
    Tactical Officers wear yellow not red except Worf in the first TNG episodes till Tasha Yar died.
    In DS9 Worf wears red again but I actually think he changed branches to Command.
    On the first point, (if Worf and Tuvok are anything to go by), it would seem that the Senior Tactical Officer doubles as Security Chief (which is why they wear gold). Is there any reason, however, why the CTO couldn't be from the Command branch, and not a Security officer? *shrug* Just a thought (mind you, there didn't seem to be a problem with Sito transferring from Security to Ops, which I found a little odd).

    On the second point, Worf switched to Red because he became DS9's Strategic Operations Officer; Odo was Security Chief aboard DS9 (remember how Worf kept getting up Odo's nose early on, "backseat driving" as it were).



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