With the creation of the Star Wars ships the group has begged for another round of large cross over battle. With one faction wanting a rematch with the Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek, while another wanted a match up against the ships from Andromeda vs. Babylon 5, and another wanted a match up against the Star Wars Clone Wars vs. Babylon 5 and there was a few that had other ideas on what the match up should be. And with a majority vote of 60/40 for the rematch with the Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek. The game is called Strike back. The B5 fleet is going to attack the Alternate Federation space and the Star Trek ships are defending a planet with life and orbital stations.
This time the ships would be equal. It wasn’t till the couple of months later that I discovered that the count on the ships in the game was goofed up. There was 66 instead of 61 Federation Starships in the first assault on the Babylon 5 station in the game. Even though the mistake was made all the way around and even after the checking of the ships the number of ships may have tipped the game in somewhat but not enough. If you check the post you will see the miss count I left it just as it was as it was not that important and once I informed the Players of the miss count they were just humored is all.
The count was done by the two sides of the players with the generation of the game pieces that represented the specific vessels.
There was a series of tactical mistakes made by the forces on both sides that could have turned the battles tide to one way or the other at any time. One of the fatal mistakes was to pull the protective wing of Omega class Destroyers away from the Babylon 5 Station was one of the crucial mistakes costing the destruction of the Babylon 5 Station.
This time around the fleet will be comprised of ships from the following ships on these lists. This time the fleets are going to be equal with 100 ships or stations each side. Sense this time the Federation is defending the station and planet there will be in station and 99 starships at least. This time I will be counting to be sure. Collateral object in the battle zone will be parked cargo pods belonging to the P’Tolemy-Class cargo ships and defensive mines that are laid into the areas these have already been designated into the battle zone.
Star Trek Universe Fleet
Armstrong Class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
Belknap-class battle cruisers (TOS & TMP & All good things Version)
Constellation-class Heavy Cruisers All standard versions
Constitution-class heavy Cruisers Series and movies
Excelsior-class Battleships (Standard versions & Enterprise B version)
Excelsior-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
Federation-class Dreadnought (TOS & TMP Version)
Hermes-Class Scout Vessel (Standard & Modified)
Kelvin-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
Klingon A New Cruiser 23rd Century (specialized story ship)
Klingon Battle Cruiser (Ent Era)
Klingon C-8 Assault Transport (Ent Era)
Klingon Class XIII L24 "Ever Victorious"-class Battleship
Klingon D4 "Bird-of-Prey" Scout (Ent Era)
Klingon D-5 Cruiser and Tanker (Ent Era)
Klingon D7 Class Cruiser (Standard and Modified versions)
Klingon K’Tanga-class Battle Cruiser
Klingon K'Teremny Class Cruiser
Klingon Raptor-class Heavy Scout (Star Trek Wars versions/ Ent Era)
Klingon Raptor-class scout (Ent Era)
Klingon Ro'Tah-class "Bird-of-Prey" (Ent Era)
Klingon Scout Vessel from comic book
Klingon Toron-class shuttlecraft
Loknar-class Frigate (TOS and TMP)
Mayflower-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
Menahga-Class (Fast Destroyer-Heavily armed Destroyer-Lightly armed Destroyer)
Miranda-class Cruiser (Pre version-Movie version-inverted Wrath of Khan version-Saratoga version-Soyuz version- Medical version)
Oberth-class Science Vessel (Science version-Escort torpedo version-fast version)
P’Tolemy-Class cargo ships
P’Tolemy-Class cargo pods
S’Harier-class Battle Cruiser
Saladin-class Destroyers (Standard & Modified)
Type 5 Shuttle craft
Work Bee Version Killer Bee Phaser Mounted Combat
Work Bee Version Killer Wasp Photon Torpedo Mounted Combat
Watchtower Class Space Station
Spacedock (Star Trek III)
Drydock (Star Trek II)
Regula Research Station (Star Trek II)
Babylon 5 universe fleet choices
Brakiri Syndicracy Avioki Cruiser
Centauri Republic Primus-class Battle Cruiser
Centauri Republic Primus-class Battle Cruiser Planetary Bombardment equipped
Centauri Republic Sentri Medium Fighter
Centauri Republic Vorchan Warship
Drazi Freehold Sunhawk Battlecruiser
Earth Force Atmospheric Shuttle
Earth Force Boarding pod - Breaching Pod
Earth Force Breaching Pod
Earth Force Hyperion-class Heavy Cruiser
Earth Force Nova-class Dreadnought.
Earth Force Omega class Destroyer
Earth Force SA-23 Starfury Fighter
Earth Force Shuttle
Earth Force Thunderbolt
Earth Force Warlock Advanced Destroyer
Interstellar Alliance The Ranger’s Liandra Battle Frigate - Legend of the rangers
Interstellar Alliance Victory-class Destroyer - Crusade
Interstellar Alliance Whitestar
Minbari Flyer
Minbari Nial Fighter
Minbari Sharlin Warcruiser
Narn Frazi heavy Fighter
Narn G’Quan Heavy Cruiser
Narn T’Loth Assault Cruiser
Vree Conglomerate warship
Details will come.
Personal Note: If I was smart I would do this in Icon and not Spacedock versions, but who said I was very smart.
Here is the collected list of warships for each side. The time period is five years after the Federation incursion into the Babylon 5 universe and the Federation and Klingon Empire have joined forces to defend the universe against the aggression.
Star Trek Universe Fleet
1 Armstrong Class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
3 Belknap-class battle cruisers (TOS Version)
3 Belknap-class battle cruisers (TMP Version)
5 Constellation-class Heavy Cruisers
4 Constitution-class heavy Cruisers (Series Version)
3 Constitution-class heavy Cruisers (Movies Version)
7 Excelsior-class Battleships (Standard versions)
3 Excelsior-class Battleships (Enterprise B version)
1 Excelsior-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
1 Federation-class Dreadnought (TOS Version)
1 Federation-class Dreadnought (TMP Version)
4 Hermes-Class Scout Vessel (Standard)
4 Hermes-Class Scout Vessel (Modified)
1 Kelvin-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
3 Klingon D-5 Cruiser (Ent Era)
1 Klingon D-5 Tanker (Ent Era)
5 Klingon D7 Class Cruiser (Standard versions)
5 Klingon K’Tanga-class Battle Cruiser
3 Klingon K'Teremny Class Cruiser
1 Klingon Ro'Tah-class "Bird-of-Prey" (Ent Era)
1 Klingon Scout Vessel from comic book
22 Klingon Toron-class shuttlecraft
5 Loknar-class Frigate (TOS)
4 Loknar-class Frigate (TMP)
1 Mayflower-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
2 Menahga-Class (Heavily armed Destroyer)
1 Menahga-Class (Lightly armed Destroyer)
6 Miranda-class Cruiser (Movie version)
2 Miranda-class Cruiser (inverted Wrath of Khan version)
1 Miranda-class Cruiser (Saratoga version)
2 Miranda-class Cruiser (Soyuz version)
1 Miranda-class Cruiser (Medical version)
2 Oberth-class Science Vessel (Science version)
3 P’Tolemy-Class cargo ships
13 P’Tolemy-Class cargo pods
1 S’Harier-class Battle Cruiser
2 Saladin-class Destroyers (Standard)
5 Saladin-class Destroyers (Modified)
17 Type 5 Shuttle craft
48 Work Bee Version Killer Bee Phaser Mounted Combat
24 Work Bee Version Killer Wasp Photon Torpedo Mounted Combat
1 Watchtower Class Space Station
7 Drydock (Star Trek II)
2 Regula Research Station (Star Trek II)
Babylon 5 universe fleet choices
2 Brakiri Syndicracy Avioki Cruiser
4 Drazi Freehold Sunhawk Battlecruiser
24 Earth Force Hyperion-class Heavy Cruiser
10 Earth Force Nova-class Dreadnought
15 Earth Force Omega class Destroyer
3 Earth Force Warlock Advanced Destroyer
3 Interstellar Alliance The Ranger’s Liandra Battle Frigate - Legend of the rangers
2 Interstellar Alliance Victory-class Destroyer - Crusade
20 Interstellar Alliance Whitestar
5 Minbari Sharlin Warcruiser
5 Narn G’Quan Heavy Cruiser
5 Narn T’Loth Assault Cruiser
2 Vree Conglomerate warship
20 Earth Force Atmospheric Shuttle
18 Earth Force Boarding pod - Breaching Pod
384 Earth Force SA-23 Starfury Fighter
108 Earth Force Shuttle
432 Earth Force Thunderbolt
19 Minbari Flyer
160 Minbari Nial Fighter
90 Narn Frazi heavy Fighter
If you wish do the math. Fighters, shuttles, Breaching Pods and other small size 2 vessels do not count as large vessels of the 100. In a week or more I will post the results of the battle after we complete the event.
The battle between Star Trek and Babylon 5 the first time seamed rather a tie throughout as two great and powerful forces going head to head firing on each other taking out ships after ships on both sides. This time the battle looked a little… a lot one sided with a lot of good rolls and a lot of bad rolls.
The battle started with a small group of leading ships slipping through the dimensional rift from Babylon 5 to the Star Trek only to run in a field of mines that took out half the ships before the ships began taking out clusters of mines. Then the rest of the fleet arrived and the Federation fleet arrived and the battle began.
To my surprise the Babylon 5 fleet took action in a very coordinate method. They targeted the most dangerous Federations ships straight out and damaged them and the fighters slipped in and finished the ships off. Quickly the Federation fleet was cut down to half in the first night of the fight and the single station, Regula Research Station near the rift was easily taken out by the simultaneous firing of the two Victory class destroyers on the station while a full two Squadrons of smaller ships covered them. The first thing that I noticed that surprised me was the Interceptors of the Babylon fleet seemed to be far more accurate than I had ever seen them before.
Second night the Babylon 5 fleet pushed on to the orbit of the planet and opened fire on the ships there cleaning their clocks in a quick battle. The Babylon 5 fleet was having such a roll of good luck with the dice that I had to check them out to see if they were rigged but they were nothing that I could see that was different than others and I rolled several snake eyes in checking them so that was not the problems. I never saw so many good rolls.
Third night the game continued and the Babylon 5 fleet boarded the federation fleets primary space station Watchtower Class Space Station and raided the station for technology and personnel that instituted the first raid on the Babylon 5 Station. The second smaller Regula Research Station was destroyed by the Victory class destroyers and a squadron of Whitestars.
The fourth night the Watchtower Class Space Station was whipped out in the departure and the Babylon 5 fleet slipped through the rift but a pair of Whitestars I had been wondering what they were doing as a far rear defense dropped a load of fusion bombs at the event horizon of the dimensional rift before slipping through themselves.
The remains of the Federation Fleet a several ships a mix of Miranda, Constitution, Loknar-class’s and one Saladin-class that were damaged but were still combat ready followed the Babylon 5 fleet only to get caught in the blast of the Fusion bombs and the collapse of the rifts opening.
The Federation fleet was devastated beyond what I thought was anything that could have happened but here it is. The Babylon fleet lost seventeen ships and returned through the rift more than intact.
I could not help but rule that the Babylon 5 universe Starfleet was the overwhelming winner to the battle. The heavy fire power firing on a single target in a single round was devastating attacks on the target.
This round of the Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek went far easier than the first time. Instead of the players fighting their own battle they worked in a team while the other side was still fighting as an independent forces that each was trying win without support. Talking to the Babylon 5 group the attack plan was planed and orchestrated by one of our younger players. I was impressed by the plan that was effective. The plan was simple, advance and destroy and then hold position and then repeat step.
Afterwards Jewel did the figure that the Interceptors stopped 91% of incoming Federation phaser fire and 97 % of Photon torpedoes fire. So the interceptors are 94% accurate in their defensive measures. Most of the Star Trek ships missed hitting their targets but the Babylon 5 fleet rarely missed their targets. Targets hit Babylon 5 fleet of ships 85% of target his in comparison to the Star Trek ships of 23% of ships hit. Just the luck of the roll.
Babylon loses
2 Brakiri Syndicracy Avioki Cruiser
4 Drazi Freehold Sunhawk Battle Cruiser
2 Earth Force Hyperion-class Heavy Cruiser
1 Earth Force Nova-class Dreadnought
1 Earth Force Omega class Destroyer
3 Earth Force Warlock Advanced Destroyer
2 Interstellar Alliance Whitestar
2 Vree Conglomerate Warship
1 Earth Force Boarding Pod - Breaching Pod
48 Earth Force SA-23 Starfury Starfighter
8 Earth Force Shuttle
43 Earth Force Thunderbolt Starfighter
1 Minbari Flyer
10 Minbari Nial Fighter
9 Narn Frazi heavy Fighter
Star Trek loses
1 Armstrong Class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
3 Belknap-class battle cruisers (TOS Version)
3 Belknap-class battle cruisers (TMP Version)
5 Constellation-class Heavy Cruisers
4 Constitution-class heavy Cruisers (Series Version)
3 Constitution-class heavy Cruisers (Movies Version)
7 Excelsior-class Battleships (Standard versions)
3 Excelsior-class Battleships (Enterprise B version)
1 Excelsior-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
1 Federation-class Dreadnought (TOS Version)
1 Federation-class Dreadnought (TMP Version)
4 Hermes-Class Scout Vessel (Standard)
4 Hermes-Class Scout Vessel (Modified)
1 Kelvin-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
3 Klingon D-5 Cruiser (Ent Era)
1 Klingon D-5 Tanker (Ent Era)
5 Klingon D7 Class Cruiser (Standard versions)
5 Klingon K’Tanga-class Battle Cruiser
3 Klingon K'Teremny Class Cruiser
1 Klingon Ro'Tah-class "Bird-of-Prey" (Ent Era)
1 Klingon Scout Vessel from comic book
2 Klingon Toron-class shuttlecraft
5 Loknar-class Frigate (TOS)
4 Loknar-class Frigate (TMP)
1 Mayflower-class cruiser (TOS versions of Star Trek XI)
2 Menahga-Class (Heavily armed Destroyer)
1 Menahga-Class (Lightly armed Destroyer)
6 Miranda-class Cruiser (Movie version)
2 Miranda-class Cruiser (inverted Wrath of Khan version)
1 Miranda-class Cruiser (Saratoga version)
2 Miranda-class Cruiser (Soyuz version)
1 Miranda-class Cruiser (Medical version)
2 Oberth-class Science Vessel (Science version)
3 P’Tolemy-Class cargo ships
1 S’Harier-class Battle Cruiser
2 Saladin-class Destroyers (Standard)
5 Saladin-class Destroyers (Modified)
48 Work Bee Version Killer Bee Phaser Mounted Combat
24 Work Bee Version Killer Wasp Photon Torpedo Mounted Combat
1 Watchtower Class Space Station
2 Regula Research Station (Star Trek II)
A hand full federation and Klingon shuttles escaped from the battle by heading to a nearby planet. The Federation Dry docks and most of the cargo pods parked near the Watchtower Class Space Station were left mostly untouched receiving only minor damage to them. One cargo pod exploded when a Federation ship collided with the cargo pod filled with compressed Deuterium.
The Work Bee Version Killer Bee Phaser Mounted Combat craft was little effect against the Babylon 5 vessels as their phasers were too low of yield to do any real damage to a starship. The Babylon 5’ starfighters were able to destroy them quickly enough in fighting. On the flip side the Work Bee Version Killer Wasp Photon Torpedo Mounted Combat craft were more successful until their torpedoes were expended and they had to maneuver away.
I thought that the ships did well enough and the game ran smoother than the first time that I would consider doing another Star Trek vs. Babylon 5 or something similar to that. I keep suggesting a Babylon 5 vs. Andromeda would make an interesting battle but I have had no takers. I believe the Andromeda’s heavy fire power that against the most powerful Babylon starship.
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