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    Missing Villain types?

    I am wondering what type of Villains are missing from the TV shows and movies. You have your cold war Russians with the Klingons. The Romulans are your espionage villains. The borg are the "Zombies" of Star Trek, the unsurmountable foe that we are afraid will take us over and turn us into a drone. The Ferengi represent Capitalism at its worst.

    I am trying to find a villain type that is represented in other popular culture but doesn't have a face in Star Trek. Any ideas?

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    I always liked anti hero's, which aren't really represented in Star Trek. They liked the division of good and evil clearly defined. As far as already defined enemy's the Hirogen were always very interesting, and with them roaming all over the galaxy incursions into the Alpha or Beta quadrants isn't unprecedented.

    BTW you don't really have to worry about the Borg after 2381, as the collective is dismantled by the Caeliar

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_Invasion_of_2381

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaveMan View Post
    I always liked anti hero's, which aren't really represented in Star Trek. They liked the division of good and evil clearly defined. As far as already defined enemy's the Hirogen were always very interesting, and with them roaming all over the galaxy incursions into the Alpha or Beta quadrants isn't unprecedented.

    BTW you don't really have to worry about the Borg after 2381, as the collective is dismantled by the Caeliar

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_Invasion_of_2381
    Thank you for the link. I was not aware of that.

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    The Maquis could be considered an anti-hero, or maybe anti-villain.

    I wonder if anarchists have been represented much in Star Trek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C5 View Post
    The Maquis could be considered an anti-hero, or maybe anti-villain.
    true, though you could also classify the Marquis as freedom fighters, along the lines of the Bajorian Resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaveMan View Post
    true, though you could also classify the Marquis as freedom fighters, along the lines of the Bajorian Resistance.
    Yes, but this is a group that already exists in Star Trek.

    I am wondering if there is a type of villain not represented in Star Trek that would be a nice addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaveMan View Post
    BTW you don't really have to worry about the Borg after 2381, as the collective is dismantled by the Caeliar

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_Invasion_of_2381
    Man, I didn't think anyone could do anything stupider with the Borg than "Endgame," but there it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by C5 View Post
    The Maquis could be considered an anti-hero, or maybe anti-villain.

    I wonder if anarchists have been represented much in Star Trek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King View Post
    Man, I didn't think anyone could do anything stupider with the Borg than "Endgame," but there it is.



    Organians.


    I am one of the ones who didn't like the introduction of the Borg Queen. I thought they served as a much better antagonist when they were a true hive mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tatterdemalion King
    Man, I didn't think anyone could do anything stupider with the Borg than "Endgame," but there it is.
    what is it you don't like about it? Most of the plot lines for the Borg were explored, and you couldn't destroy them with overwhelming force (the Undine/species 8472 covered that plot) and if you don't address them eventually they would take over (most plots show them talking over then galaxy by the 2600's).

    I agree "Endgame" was rife with mistakes (Voyager would never survive inside a Sphere, Temporal Agents would not allow Janeway to corrupt the time line just to name a few) and seemed rushed to wrap the series up.

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    Well, I still think that they are a hive mind, and that the Queen is a mask worn by the hive in specific dealings, much like Locutus:

    Your archaic cultures are authority driven. To facilitate our introduction into your societies, it has been decided that a human voice will speak for us in all communications. You have been chosen to be that voice.
    ("Best of Both Worlds, Part One"
    OTOH, I also think that the impression of the Borg as a Leviathan-like unity is also a kind of false assumption, and that the Borg-as-organism and Borg-as-adaption-ecosystem need more focus to actually get interesting stories out of them. You see the Borg's usefulness as an actual active opposition in episodes run out very quickly in TNG, and it's only when they start being treated as another culture—scary, yes, but one with a being and worth like any other—that you get good material like 'I, Borg,' 'Unity' and 'Survival Instinct'

    Quote Originally Posted by WaveMan View Post
    what is it you don't like about it? Most of the plot lines for the Borg were explored, and you couldn't destroy them with overwhelming force (the Undine/species 8472 covered that plot) and if you don't address them eventually they would take over (most plots show them talking over then galaxy by the 2600's).

    I agree "Endgame" was rife with mistakes (Voyager would never survive inside a Sphere, Temporal Agents would not allow Janeway to corrupt the time line just to name a few) and seemed rushed to wrap the series up.
    Well, yeah, I'd just have them take over. Or join the Federation. Or the Federation joins them. Same thing, really. I mean, it would really depend on whether I'm running a game set in the 25th-27th centuries or running a game in the 29th-31st.
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    I viewed the Borg Queen in the same way, the manifestation of the collective and acting in the same fashion as a AI Processor, as in a interface for the collective to interact with hierarchical based species who would assume that there "has to be someone in charge".

    I honestly don't believe the Federation and the Borg could have ever become ally's, once assimilated a culture becomes Borg. Plus the Borg always exhibited "assimilate or destroy" behavior, not a lot of wriggle room for diplomacy. For me the scenario developed in that link had symmetry and closure, rounding out the plot line nicely. (I liked that an aspect of the Caeliar being the origins of the Borg, and that they offered a different take on a collective, the Gestalt. A collective consciousnesses that retained individually. Overall the Caeliar were very interesting, a race of beings made up entirely of catoms, exceedingly advanced technology and dedicating their time to their "great work" .

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Caeliar

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Work

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    I don't understand why a queen is inconsistent with a hive... All the hives we have on Earth (ants, bees, termites, wasps) have a queen, and that's where the whole patterm of a hive came from. The Borg just combine the drones and workers, is all. As noted above, the queen is just a programme run by the Borg, a sort of queen.exe with a specialised hardware body. Seen in that light, even the creation of a Locutus makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen E Oulton View Post
    I don't understand why a queen is inconsistent with a hive... All the hives we have on Earth (ants, bees, termites, wasps) have a queen, and that's where the whole patterm of a hive came from. The Borg just combine the drones and workers, is all. As noted above, the queen is just a programme run by the Borg, a sort of queen.exe with a specialised hardware body. Seen in that light, even the creation of a Locutus makes sense.
    A hive mind is different than a literal ant hive.

    If she was the true collective thought of the Borg, then I would be okay with her. But her dialog in First Contact made her appear to be more in control of the drones as an ant queen would be.

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    You fleshlings are so limited in your perceptions. That is why you will be assimilated by the superior beings.

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    The closest thing that comes to a real hive-mind is a computer network. A network needs a coordinating processor. That's her. All the other drones are mere peripherals. She's sort of like a "Norman" that actually does coordinate.

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