Do you know what I forgot to install in the Star Wars ships?

[Omega1967]

Do you know what I forgot to install in the Star Wars ships? …Repulser Lifters? What are they? What do they do?

Some of my group had dug up some books references and notes about the ships using a tech that I had not put into the Spacedock ships. I read everything they had given me and yes Vagina there is a Repulser Lift Tech in the Star Wars ships.

Repulser lifters, from what I understand it does much like the AG generators that the High Guard ships and such use in the Andromeda, they change the ships weight such as a brick to that of a feather. So an ant can carry the Millennium Falcon when it is operating, well maybe not an ant but you get the idea.

I looked through the main Spacedock book and I could not find anything that referred to such tech in there. If there is, I did not see it.

This is what I generated for Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda a few years back. It will work just the same.

AG Generators (Artificial-Gravity Field Generators)
SU’s Cost size 2.5 x size
Power Cost: 1 x size
A versatile technology, which harnesses exotic matter concentrations to alter and manipulate gravitational fields for various purposes. For example, in a spaceship, artificial gravity is used to reduce effective mass for thrust, to prevent items from being squashed by the ship's acceleration and to allow the crew to operate throughout the ship. Also, when artificial gravity is concentrated on an area outside of the ship (via an Exotic Matter Lens) away from a gravity source (like a planet or sun) it can be used to generate a rip in the fabric of space, allowing the ship to enter/exit the Slipstream (see Slipstream).
With the AG generators active the ship is capable of speeds twice the speed that the ship may achieve at speeds that allow the ship to travel using less the power to achieve speeds.

Forget the jargon but works to allow the ships to rise up several meters or more lightening its weight till it is clear of the surface and engage the main sub light drive and sail clear. I assume that the ships of star trek have such it may be a part of their Impulse or warp drives allowing such the same. This comes into play when a Star Destroyer is parked over the surface of a planet well into the atmosphere and deep in a gravity well of a planet.

Oh! …and it would allow a moon size object to move in space easier than using just engines, such as the Death Star.

This was pointed out to me and I had to give in that I did not have an answer to their point and I could not find an answer in the spacedock books.

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Here is the example using a Star Destroyer:

Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (Version 5)
Class and Type: Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer
Commissioning Date: A Long Time Ago

Hull Systems
Size: 12
Length: 1600 Meters
Beam: 10500 Meters
Height: 470 Meters
Decks: 104
Mass: 10,500,000 Metric Tonnes
SU’s Available: 3000 – 4500
SU’s Used: 10,515

Hull Outer <48>
Hull Inner <48>
Resistance Outer Hull: 10 <12>
Resistance Inner Hull: 10 <12>
* Optional * Heavy Armor Plating +12 (Outer Hull) <36>
(Armor: 600 <120> Optional)

Structural Integrity Field [1 Power/10 Protection/Round]
Main: Class 5 (Protection 80/120) <36>
Backup 1: Class 5 (Protection 40) <18>
Backup 2: Class 5 (Protection 40) <18>
Specialized Hull: Atmospheric Capability <12>
Planetfall Capability <12>

Personnel Systems
Crew/Passengers/Evac: 37,085/9,700/580,000
Crew Quarters
Barracks: Houses 10278 Crewmembers <172>
Spartan: 9360 <468>
Basic: 18720 <1872>
Expanded: 8425 <1685>
Luxury: 1 <1>
Unusual: 1 <1>

Environmental Systems
Basic Life Support [18 Power/Round] <48>
Reserve Life Support [9 Power/Round] <24>
Emergency Life Support (72 Emergency Shelters)<24>
Gravity [6 Power/Round] <12>
Consumable: 3 Years’ Worth <36>
Food Storage [0 Power/Round] <2>
Medical Facilities: 8 (+2) [8 Power/Round] <40>
Bacta Tanks: 8 Tanks(+1) [1 Power/Round/Each Use] <8>
Recreation Facilities: 6 [12 Power/Round] <48>
Personnel Transport: Turbolift, Jefferies Tubes [2 Power/Round] <36>
Fire Suppression System [1 Power/Round When Active] <12>
Cargo Holds: 600,000 Cubic Meters <18>
Locations:
Escape Pods <294>
Number: 5860
Capacity: 8 Person Per Pod

Propulsion Systems
Hyper Drive: Class 2 (3920c) [120 Power/Round Of Use] <108>
Optional Backup Hyper Drive Class 8 (1568c) [48 Power/Round] <48>
Primary Sub-Light Engine Type: three Class 7 (.75c/.92c) [7/9 Power/Round] <35 X 3 = 105>
Location: Aft
Repulser lifters: [12 power/round] <30>
Secondary Sub-Light Engine Type: four Class 4 (.6c/.8c) [6/8 Power/Round] <20 X 4 = 80>
Location: Aft
Reaction Control System (.025c) [2 Power/round in use] <12>

Power Systems
Main Reactor: (Generates 1360 Power/Round) <340>
Location: Engineering Section
Sub-Light Engine[S]: 3 Class 7 (Generates 56 Power/Engine/Round)
Sub-Light Engine[S]: 4 Class 4 (Generates 32 Power/Engine/Round)
Auxiliary Power: 4 Reactors (Generates 5 Power/Reactor/Round) <12>
Emergency Power: Type F (Generates 50 Power/Round) <50>
Fuel: 22,000,000,000
Eps: Standard Power Flow, +400 Power Transfer/Round <100>
Standard Usable Power: 1656

Operations Systems
Bridge: <60>

Computers
Core 1: [5 Power/Round] <24>
Core 2: [5 Power/Round] <24>
Uprating: Class Beta (+2) [2 Power/Computer/Round] <8>
ODN <36>

Navigational Deflector [5 Power/Round] <48>
Range: 10/20,000/50,000/150,000
Accuracy: 5/6/8/11
Location: Forward Ventral

Sensor Systems
Long-Range Sensors [5 Power/Round] <54>
Range Package: Type 7 (Accuracy 3/4/7/10)
High Resolution: 5 Light-Year (.5/.6-1.0/1.1-3.8/3.9-5.0)
Low Resolution: 17 Light-Years (1/1.1-6.0/6.1-13.0/13.1-17)
Strength Package: Class 10 (Strength 10)
Gain Package: Class Beta (+2)
Coverage: Standard

Lateral Sensor [5 Power/Round] <26>
Strength Package: Class 10 (Strength 10)
Gain Package: Class Beta (+2)
Coverage: Standard

Navigational Sensor [5 Power/Round] <24>
Strength Package: Class 10 (Strength 10)
Gain Package: Class Beta (+2)
Sensors Skill: 4

Flight Control Systems
Autopilot: Shipboard Systems (Flight Control) 4, Coordination 3 [1 Power/Round In Use] <15>

Navigational Computer
Main: Class 3 (+2) [2 Power/Round] <4>
Backup: 4 <4>

Inertial Damping Field
Main <144>
Strength: 9 [3 Power/Round}
Number: 6
Backup <36>
Strength: 6 [2 Power/Round]
Number: 6
Attitude Control [3 Power/Round] <3>

Communications Systems
Type: Class 9 [2 Power/Round] <27>
Strength: 9
Security: -5 (Class Gamma Uprating)
Basic Uprating: Class Beta (+2)
Holographic Communications
Emergency Communications: Yes [2 Power/Round] <1>

Tractor Beams
Emitter: Class Delta [3 Power/Strength Used/Round] <12 X 4 = 48>
Accuracy: 4/5/7/10
Location: Aft Ventral, Forward, Port, Starboard

Emitter: Class Alpha [3 Power/Strength Used/Round] <15>
Accuracy: 5/6/8/11
Location: One In Forward Shuttle Bay and Four In Larger Docking Holding Bay

Security Systems Rating: 4 <16>
Anti-Intruder System: Yes [1 Power/Round] <12>
Internal Force Fields [1 Power/3 Strength] <12>
Internal Bulkhead Doors [1 Power/Round] <12>
Science Systems Rating 3 (+2) [3 Power/Round] <32>
Specialized Systems: 4 <20>
Laboratories: 72 <15>

Tactical Systems
Four Quad Heavy Turbolaser Battery turrets <80 X 4 = 320>
Type: Equal to a Type VII Phaser Array
Damage: 160 [16 Power]
Number of Emitters: 120 (Up To 3 shots per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: two port dorsal, two starboard dorsal
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Heavy Turbolaser Batteries <24 X 10 = 240>
Type: Equal To A Type VII Phaser Array
Damage: 160 [16 Power]
Number Of Emitters: 120 (Up To 3 Shots Per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: Four Forward, Three Port, Three Starboard
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Turbolaser Batteries <24 X 34 = 720>
Type: Equal To A Type V Phaser Array
Damage: 100 [10 Power]
Number Of Emitters: 200 (Up To 5 Shots Per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: six per flat angled surface of wedge, port and starboard, dorsal and ventral and five on trench port and starboard equally spaced along the surface
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Turbolaser Batteries <11 X 20 = 220>
Type: Equal to a Type IV Phaser Array
Damage: 80 [8 Power]
Number of Emitters: 120 (Up To 3 Shots Per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: various locations about the star destroyer’s surfaces
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Four Quad Ion Cannon Battery turrets <16 X 4 = 256>
Type: Equal To A Type Iii Phaser Array
Damage: 50 (See Notes) [5 Power]
Number Of Emitters: 200 (Up To 20 Shots Per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: two port dorsal, two starboard dorsal
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Sixty Ion Cannons <16 X 44 = 706>
Type: Equal To A Type Iii Phaser Array
Damage: 50 (See Notes) [5 Power]
Number Of Emitters: 200 (Up To 5 Shots Per Round)
Auto-Phaser Interlock: Class Beta (Accuracy: 4/5/7/10)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000
Location: two on tower port and starboard, seven per flat angled surface of wedge, port and starboard, dorsal and ventral and seven on trench port and starboard equally spaced along the surface
Firing Arc: 360 Degrees
Firing Modes: Standard

Forward Torpedo Launcher <17>
Standard Load: Concussion Missiles (60 Damage), Proton Torpedo (80 Damage)
Spread: 10
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/3,500,000
Targeting System: Accuracy 4/5/7/10
Power: [20 + 5 Per Torpedo Fired]
Location: Forward
Firing Arc: Forward, But Are Self-Guided
Torpedoes Carried: 500 <50>

TA/T/Ts: Class Gamma [2 Power/Round] <12>
Strength: 9
Bonus: +2
Weapon Skill: 5

Shields (Forward, Aft, Port, Starboard) <158 X 4= 632>
Shield Generator: Class 6 (Protection 1100) [110 Power/Shield/Round]
Shield Grid: Type C (50 % Increase to 1650 Protection)
Subspace Field Distortion Amplifiers: Class Theta (Threshold 367)
Recharging System: Class 1 (45 Seconds)
Backup Shield Generators: 4 (1 Per Shield) <24>
Auto-Destruct System <12>

Auxiliary Spacecraft System
Shuttlebay(S): Capacity for 400 size worth of ships <800>
Standard Compliment: 72 Fighters (36 Standard Tie Fighter, 12 Tie Interceptors, 24 Tie Bombers) 8 Lambda-Class Shuttle, 8 Sentinel-Class Shuttle
Location(S):

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I think there is a point where generating new tech it is going to necessitate for me to make a modification to the spacedock SU’s availability for future ships of our games. This is an example of why I have had to create some tech as someone has come up with an idea for an adventure and ask where is this or that and I have to look for it.

I am going to spend the day retrofitting the Star Wars ship with this tech. Have a good day and Enjoy.

[WaveMan]

on a different scale warp fields are used to lighten the mass of a vessel so as to allow them to achieve FTL.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_field

As far as the benefit, what is the quantifiable benefit of the repulsor lift tech when it is installed on a ship? (or did I misread/miss it?)

[Owen E Oulton]

on a different scale warp fields are used to lighten the mass of a vessel so as to allow them to achieve FTL.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_field

As far as the benefit, what is the quantifiable benefit of the repulsor lift tech when it is installed on a ship? (or did I misread/miss it?)

Except Memory-Alpha is a Star Trek site and this is a Star Wars question. Completely different technology and laws of physics. Star Wars ships do not use Warp Drive, they use Hyperdrive.

Repulsor lifts are basically antigravs used to lift off the surface of a planet, as when the Millennium Falcon lifts out of Docking Bay 94 in the original Star Wars (no bloody Chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7). It seems to me that ships without landing capability would not need them.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

Are there ship construction guides in the SWRPGs? What do they say?

[WaveMan]

Except Memory-Alpha is a Star Trek site and this is a Star Wars question. Completely different technology and laws of physics. Star Wars ships do not use Warp Drive, they use Hyperdrive.

I understand that and believe almost everyone else understood that as well.

I was just giving the Trek example in response to this

I assume that the ships of star trek have such it may be a part of their Impulse or warp drives allowing such the same.

[Owen E Oulton]

I understand that and believe almost everyone else understood that as well.

Indeed, the actual wording of your answer heavily implied that you didn't. Never assume that everyone knows what you're talking about. First rule of rules explanation, courtesy of my Junior NCO's Course in the army.

The system in Trek Impulse engines that does what you're suggesting is not an antigrav unit (or repulsor-lift) but rather the Driver Coil Assembly (DCA). "The DCA is 6.5 meters long and 5.8 meters in diameter and consists of a series of six split toroids, each manufactured from cast verterium cortenide 934. Energy from the accelerated plasma, when driven through the toroids, creates the necessary combined field effect that (1) reduces the apparent mass of the spacecraft at its inner surface, and (2) facilitates the slippage of the continuum past the spacecraft at its outer surface." (quoted from the ST TNG TM). Repulsor-lifts are what makes Luke's speeder hover and what X-Wings and the Falcon take off vertically. They are a combination of an antigravity generator and a pressor beam (reverse tractor beam) for propulsion. The pressor beam, to put it in Trek-speak, is much like a focused version of the repulsor jets in Iron Man's boots and gauntlets which allow him to fly.

Basically, the DCA in Trek Impulse drives uses a small amount of the highly energised Impulse plasma to create a low-level Warp field around the propulsive plasma exhaust. Star Trek uses the equivalent of repulsor-lift technology in shuttlecraft and landing-capable starships like the Defiant and Intrepid classes in much the same way Star Wars does. In Trek terminology, it's called the Ground Hover Suspension Field (GHSF). See my page on the Intrepid class planetary landing sequence for more detail, taken from dialogue in ST VGR's The 37's as well as various official Tech Manuals: http://www.coldnorth.com/owen/game/s...landing%20.htm

[WaveMan]

Honestly mate I really don't care if you didn't get it. No one else seemed to be compelled to post for further explanation.

[Owen E Oulton]

Honestly mate I really don't care if you didn't get it. No one else seemed to be compelled to post for further explanation.

Tough nuts to you. At least I gave a relevant answer with copious references. You didn't. By the way, your "definition" of ronin is also wrong in just about every important aspect. Welcome top my ignore list.

[WaveMan]

By the way, your "definition" of ronin is also wrong in just about every important aspect.

maybe do some research before making yourself look foolish. I researched the word Ronin and Waveman before picking that sobriquet and actually talked to someone who was fluent in Japanese, and it was he who told me about the literal meaning of Ronin being 'wondering person', then I confirmed it using wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C5%8Dnin

(I'll italic the exact parts I took DIRECTLY off wikipedia in my definition)
Rōnin
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses of Rōnin or Ronin, see Ronin (disambiguation).

A woodblock print by ukiyo-e master Utagawa Kuniyoshi depicting famous rōnin Miyamoto Musashi having his fortune told.
A rōnin (浪人?)[1] was a samurai with no lord or master during the feudal period (1185–1868) of Japan. A samurai became masterless from the death or fall of his master, or after the loss of his master's favor or privilege.[2]

In modern Japanese usage, the term also describes a salaryman who is "between employers" or a secondary school graduate who has not yet been admitted to university.[3][4]

Etymology[edit]
The word rōnin literally means "wave man". It is an idiomatic expression for "vagrant" or "wandering man", someone who is without a home. The term originated in the Nara and Heian periods, when it referred to a serf who had fled or deserted his master's land. It then came to be used for a samurai who had no master. (Hence, the term "wave man" illustrating one who is socially adrift.)

The word "浪人" means a "drifter" or a "wanderer", i.e. "he who drifts/wanders".

Welcome top my ignore list.

in that context it is 'to' not 'top' , maybe proofread your posts.
mate now you are just being a pedantic ass. If being on your ignore list means I don't have to suffer your sanctimonious posts than I am thankful.

[WaveMan]

I just wanted to apologize to Omega for my part in derailing this thread. I was posting in good faith and while I could have been a little clearer (and probably should have quoted the part of his post I was responding to) I honestly thought everyone would be able to connect the dots so to speak.

I do not apologize for defending my personal integrity or how I define my username.

[Omega1967]

Not to worry as it was a valid point that I even missed when I started building Star Wars ships at the beginning as I never thought much about it till someone asked me about it. It makes a valet point of attack for someone firing on the ship.

Now that time has past I realize that it could be a part of the RCS which is the thrusters on the ship. This would be where the lifters could be apart of but I am not going to go and change my ships all back after retrofitting the entire fleet with the new systems.

I will be modifying the hit location chart to accommodate the new systems into the Star Wars game. I have had to do this for the Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5 and Stargate ships. anytime I add something I have to update the chart. I think that I am on version ten or eleven now.

I have been busy with some personal things of late and haven't been around for a while and it will be a while before I am back again.

[WaveMan]

I would say that there is some sort of anti-grav integrated into all the separate propulsion systems (impulse engines, warp drive, Reaction Control Systems [RCS]) on Federation vessels. As both Owen and I showed we know for sure that impulse engines and the warp drive do.

[Omega1967]

I would agree. but I have made them separate for game purposes. So the storm troopers can disable just them.

Here is the new chart that I said that I would produce for the ships. I made only a few changes to here from the original Spacedock tables. It is useful in all games. I looked hard and made it up to make a ships intractable with one another.

STARSHIP HIT LOCATION TABLE Updated with STAR WARS, Andromeda, Babylon 5, BSG _2017-01-19.pdf

[The Tatterdemalion King]

Are there any SW ships that aren't atmosphere-capable?

[WaveMan]

From what I can tell the Venator-class (1137m long) and Imperial-class (1600m) were the largest ships made atmo capable, as in the description of the Venator-class it states "A stock ship was 1,137 meters long, making it one of the largest capital ships capable of atmospheric operations, landing on planets to load and unload troops and vehicles" making me think once they went larger they didn't make them atmo capable.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends

As they do list atmo speeds for the Imperial class and Imperial II class I would hypothesize that ships over around 1600m were not made atmo capable.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imper...Star_Destroyer

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imper...Star_Destroyer

the First Orders Resurgent-class (2,915.81m) doesn't have an atmo speed listed, so they aren't atmo capable.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Resur..._Battlecruiser