Statistics for Delta Quadrant Species

[Dan Gurden]

As promised here is the Hirogen template that Pookie came up with...

My single alteration was, ironically enough, the change from Projectile weapons skill in the template to Primitive weapons and the name of the Hirogen bladed weapon...

HIROGEN

Attributes:
Fitness: 3 [7]
Vitality +1
Co-ordination: 3 [6]
Reaction +1
Intellect: 2 [5]
Presence: 2 [5]
Psi: 0 [5]

Skills:
Athletics (Climbing) 1 (2)
(Running) (2)
Culture (Hirogen) 2 (3)
History (Hirogen) 1 (2)
Language, Hirogen 2
Primitive Weaponry (Blade) 1 (2)
Search 1
Stealth (Stealthy Movement) 1 (2)
Hunting (Choose Specialisation) 1 (2)

Advantages/Disadvantages:
Resolute +3; arrogant -1, code of Honour (Hunter's) -2,
Obsessive Tendencies (The Hunt) -3

<By Pookie and Dan August 2000>

I had developed a specific Hunter Overlay along with weapon ststs, but they seem to have been lost on my system somewhere... Sorry about that... I will see if I can trace it and post.

Otherwise the Hunter template from Among the clans will suit...



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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[Centurion Noctis]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The comment has been made that the Klingons and Andorians have Primitive Weaponry as a part of their Templates. That's because they are raised where those weapons are an integral part of their culture. Energy Weapons are NOT a cultural thing for Klingons or Cardassians. For the Kazon, however, the disruptor is an integral part of their culture. We've seen it over and over again.</font>

What the... I dont think every Kazon are warrior, and i dont see why the distuptor should be a part of their heritage...

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Im french so I can pronounce Jean-Luc Picard

[Centurion Noctis]

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Until Flesh and Blood, we only saw Hirogen Warrior. But then we saw non-warrior Hirogen. Thats the same thing for the Kazon

The kazon stole teck from the tribe.. yes.
But the must conduct repair, they must run this technology, that show some kind of science expertise

KAZON
Attributes
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Fitness 3 [5]
Vitality +1
Coordination 2 [5]
Intellect 2 [5]
Logic -1
Presence 2 [5]
Empathy -1
Willpower +1
Psi 0 [5]

Skills
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Athletics (choose Specialization) 2 (3)
Unarmed Combat (choose Specialization) 2 (3)
Fast Talk 1

Culture (Kazon) 2 (3)
History (Kazon) 1 (2)
Language, Kazon 2
World Knowledge (Homeworld) 1 (2)

Typical Advantages/Disadvantages
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High Pain Threshold +2
Bloodlust -2


I add Fast Talk... Kazon are expert at lie. We saw that a lot of time... So it seem logic to assume they've some "training", on the subject... Not the scholl of the perfect Liar, just... a kind of habitude they had.

And one of my player did the Hirogen template...

Attributes
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Fitness 3 [7]
Strength +2
Vitality +2
Coordination 3 [6]
Dexterity +1
Intellect 2 [5]
Perception +1
Presence 2 [6]
Empathy -1
Willpower +1
Psi 0 [5]

Skills
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Athletics (choose Specialization) 2 (3)
Unarmed Combat (choose Specialization) 2 (3)
Science, Any (choose Specialization) 1 (2)

Culture (Hirogen) 1 (2)
History (Hirogen) 1 (2)
Language, Hirogen 2
World Knowledge (Hirogen Homeworld) 0 (1)

Typical Advantages/Disadvantages
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High Pain Threshold +2
Toughness +2
Code of Honor (Hirogen) -2



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Im french so I can pronounce Jean-Luc Picard

[SIR SIG]

The Gang warfare analogy seems to hit the spot quite well.

Although they seemed to have gotten a lot of ships from the Trabe and there are what, 10 Sects?


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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'

Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?

- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk

[Perrryyy]

We're told in "Initiations" (the one where Chakotay is captured by a young Kazon warrior), that on that particular day, there were 18 sects


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[mactavish]

I like the Hirogen template, but shouldn't it include some sort of bloodlust Disadvantages? It seems to me that (as seen in "Flesh and Blood") the Hirogen hunters get off on inflicting pain and killing other sentient species.

How about a brief history of the Hirogen? If I recall correctly, the Hirogen were once a normal species (several millennia ago) until their homeworld was devastated by the Borg.

The survivors fled in the few ships they could salvage and became nomads, wandering the galaxy in search of resources. Along the way, they managed to develop (or secure) potent technologies that allowed them to do battle with the Borg. Once these technologies were available, they began training in the ways of the hunter, eventually making all else secondary to stalking and killing their prey.

Originally intended merely to hunt down and kill the Borg, this pattern of thought permeated the entire species' thought process. Eventually the species forgot much of their old ways and most of their history. They took a new name... hir'ogen, their word for "hunter." And thus is has been for thousands of years.

Oh yeah, and that enormous array of communications satellites that the Hirogen used (and Voyager destroyed)? The race that eventually became the Hirogen designed and built it eons ago, long before their fatal encounter with the Collective.

I don't know if any of that is valid, but doesn't it sound good?

mactavish out.

[This message has been edited by mactavish (edited 04-11-2001).]

[SIR SIG]

18 on that day?

Must be a high turn over!

They didn't have 18 odd at the big sect leader meeting though! Much less

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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'

Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?

- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk

[Dan Gurden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mactavish:
I like the Hirogen template, but shouldn't it include some sort of bloodlust Disadvantages? It seems to me that (as seen in "Flesh and Blood") the Hirogen hunters get off on inflicting pain and killing other sentient species.
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As a side note.

Some spoilers here? In the UK we have yet to see Flesh and Blood. We only just saw Drive the other week, if that gives you a clue as to how far behind we are...

Mac. As you can see the Template was written in August Last Year so at that thime there would have been no way to include Flesh and Blood into the equation...


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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[Dan Gurden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Centurion Noctis:
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I add Fast Talk... Kazon are expert at lie. We saw that a lot of time... So it seem logic to assume they've some "training", on the subject... Not the scholl of the perfect Liar, just... a kind of habitude they had.
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I hate to say this, and dont get me wrong I am NOT trying to flame here. But this is exactly the same Logic that you said doesnt back the concept that all Kazon trained to fight from a young age should gain the Energy Weapon skill...

By exactly the same token, you have assumed on screen evidence to support the inclusion of a skill.

The thing is. And this is the key... Both templates are totally correct, being based on on-screen evidence. So it is up to the idividual Narrators to chose which they want...



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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[Centurion Noctis]

There's a difference... Kazon Warrior are liar. Its highly propable that every Kazon are liar. Lie is not a part of the warrior thing.

Kazon Warrior know how to use Disruptor. Its hyghly impropable that every Kazon know how to fire Disruptor cause thats something you lear when you choose your "way".

If i am a young Kazon. I am intellectual. I'll be a liar, cause everyone around be lie and deceive each other. But i'll not try to fire distuptor...

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Im french so I can pronounce Jean-Luc Picard

[calguard66]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Centurion Noctis:
There's a difference... Kazon Warrior are liar. Its highly propable that every Kazon are liar. Lie is not a part of the warrior thing.

Kazon Warrior know how to use Disruptor. Its hyghly impropable that every Kazon know how to fire Disruptor cause thats something you lear when you choose your "way".

If i am a young Kazon. I am intellectual. I'll be a liar, cause everyone around be lie and deceive each other. But i'll not try to fire distuptor...

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First I find it highly unlikely that any Kazon male would not have some idea how to use a disruptor (or whatever their sect's primary ranged weapon).

Second, in the episode where Chakotay is captured, and the young Kazon helps him escape, all Kazon involved act well within their own system of honor. In particular, they young Kazon warrior finds a unique solution that doesn't violate his honor.

Based on his example it seems clear that individual Kazon could be as honorable as any Klingon, Samurai, or Andorian... each of whom follows a different code of honor, but all of whom are considered honorable.

I certainly see no evidence anywhere of a racial tendency towards lying. Every Kazon encounter by Voyager has been in the context of conflict or outright combat. OF COURSE the Kazon involved in those events are less than candid with the Voyager crew.

It's what Worf termed "guile".

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"I'd rather die standing than live on my knees..."
Shania Twain

[SIR SIG]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan Gurden:

As a side note.

Some spoilers here? In the UK we have yet to see Flesh and Blood. We only just saw Drive the other week, if that gives you a clue as to how far behind we are...
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Well keeping on that side note.

Here in Australia we'll only get Drive on Video in a week assuming its the 3rd or 4th ep on 7.2.

If it ever turns up on television, well lets just say they are only just screening early 5th season for the first time!

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'...The Borg have stopped at deck 10...'
'...Deflector Control, no vital systems...'

Not a vital system! What the heck do you think stops the ship going 'poof' every time it goes to warp?

- ST:First Contact; Lt Hawk

[Phoenix]

For you Herogen makers, on both of the templates you seem to forgotten the Herogen vs. Prey attatude- IMO "intolerant: Everybody except the character’s species -3". That's what it appered to be on screen anyway (except that one little Herogen engineer that refused to be a hunter).

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"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
-Napoleon

[Dan Gurden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Phoenix:
For you Herogen makers, on both of the templates you seem to forgotten the Herogen vs. Prey attatude- IMO "intolerant: Everybody except the character’s species -3". That's what it appered to be on screen anyway (except that one little Herogen engineer that refused to be a hunter).
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That was more the gist of the arrogant disadvantage... I felt that the attitude towards their prey was not the equivalent of Racism, but far closer to superiority...

They ignored their prey not due to dislike, but because their prey was simply 'below' them...

At least thats how I saw it...


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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[mactavish]

There's been some really good discussion here over the past several days. I'm impressed with how many people are actually interested in the topic! I certainly didn't expect as many responses as I've seen.

Okay, so on that note, what are your ideas of the Vidiians? After watching a few of the first season episodes, I learned that the Vidiians have been "fighting the Phage for centuries", and I also got the impression that the majority of the species was infected.

So, we know that the Vidiians are a race of medically advanced humanoids that harvest organs and tissues from other species to prolong their own existence. We also know that they are desperate and that their entire race is on the verge of extinction.

So what do the Vidiians look like in LUGTrek terms? Post your ideas and, when I'm done, I'll post mine.

mactavish out.