Where are all the designs then?

[spyone]

Originally posted by Paul:
198-pages of electronic document - you want us to read, digest, understand and make designs in only FOUR DAYS?!?!

I had my first design in under 24 hours. I'm still polishing it, but it will be up in a few days.

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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.

[Paul]

Originally posted by spyone:
I had my first design in under 24 hours. I'm still polishing it, but it will be up in a few days.

OK...but I have a life - and a wife. There goes my ship-design time...

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In spite of the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains?

[SIR SIG]

Well I havent had time to print it yet, just watching it on a 17 inch screen which strainful to say the least.
Besides the point but the Borg cube crew complement is 129000 not 192000. (just had to nitpick)

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[Swampy]

Aldaron

Nice little beastie, just goes to show that bigger ships are just fresh meat. You know what this means don't you? Fighter carriers!! Wahey, start designing the Tomcats.

Oops, that's not very trekie. Bad Swampy.

A few things I picked up on in your design:
- The officer/enlisted ratio seems off, I'd have though a couple of officers, 2-3 senior enlisted & the rest junior enlisted.
- You'd probably also have all Spartan quarters as per Defiant. Small ships aren't renowned for their comforts.
- Your medical facilities can't accomodate an EMH & seem a bit high for this sort of vessel. Particularly since it means one of your crew is a ship'd Doctor, that only leaves 7 for everything else! I think this is just a gap in the rules. I'd suggest fitting a class 1 facility to represent a simple first aid station with no assigned medical personnel. The EMH can be explained as a special case installation since they're ideal for small craft like these.
- Your total comms security should be -4 not -2. You get a basic -2 for the Class 6 comms plus a further -2 from the Delta upgrade.
- Your cargo transporter should be rated in mass capacity not the number of pads, ie. it can shift 400kg
- Your pulse phaser should have accuracy 3/4/6/9 since you have to have a Gamma API, which I think you've done by the SU cost, but it should only be able to fire in Standard & Wide Beam modes thus reducing cost to 39 SU. The modes available is a bit confusing: page 67 suggests Wide Beam can't be used, but page 70 & the Defiant design says otherwise.
- Your shuttlebay could hold 4 shuttlepods (Size 1) or 2 full sized shuttles (Size 2), I take it you just left spare capacity?

I still like it though.

Swampy

[Capt.Hunter]

What can I say - I'm numerically challenged! Also, I figured out where some of those missing SUs went - no cargo or emergency transporters! I figured the Borg wouldn't use Emergency transporters, and as for cargo I don't see why they wouldn't use the most efficient model (Personnel transporters - which have Quantum-Level Resolution to enable the Borg to beam those possibly partly-organic bits of tech around) for everything. I also only gave the ship 20 eight-person units. Back to the drawing board!

Actually, this is really only a thought exercise as I don't genuinely expect anyone to have to fight this ship. Unless it's as part of a fleet. Hmmm - has anyone tried the fleet combat rules to represent a group of starships attacking a single huge vessel like a cube? Does it last as long as it should?

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"We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

"Mr.Kalor, give them a full spread of Quantum Torpedoes - let's see if they're right on that last point"
Captain Matt Hunter, USS Tempest NCC-81205.

[Dan Gurden]

Maybe theres room for an experiment here, when the SRM's come out we get a bunch of people together over email and each person takes a ship or two vs. a borg cube over email and we see if the maths works out into a several day long running fight (aka; First Contact) or a Massacre (aka; Best of Both Worlds), or even if the Borg are considerably weaker than they should really be... (aka Kathryn Janeway )

WHose up for this?

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

[afraser]

me! me! me!

I always wanted to command a fleet

[Fred]

Originally posted by Dan Gurden:
Maybe theres room for an experiment here, when the SRM's come out we get a bunch of people together over email and each person takes a ship or two vs. a borg cube over email and we see if the maths works out into a several day long running fight (aka; First Contact) or a Massacre (aka; Best of Both Worlds), or even if the Borg are considerably weaker than they should really be... (aka Kathryn Janeway )

WHose up for this?

Count me in too.



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"As long as you can laugh, you are not
defeated."

–- Jack Vance

[Dan Gurden]

Captain Hunter...

Its your Borg Cube... Care to be the 'target' of our attentions?

Now all we really need is a list of starships at Wolf 359 and during the battle for sector 001...

We know that first contact used lots of Sabre, Norway, Steamrunner, a Sovereign and a Defiant... what else?

BTW.. I am moving this to a new thread so this one can be used for its original purpose...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts froma random mind!"

[Aldaron]

Does anyone have a reasonable design for a Breen cruiser (like the one that took out the Defiant)?

I'm trying to do one in Spacedock, but I really have nothing to work on other than a rough size (from photos) and the nasty energy-draining cannon-thingie.

Since I imagine Steve's "official" version won't be out until the Dominion War Sourcebook, I'm getting desperate here, as I need it ASAP.

If anyone has any hints or ideas, I'd be happy to name my second-born child after them (too late for the first-born... ).

TIA,



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"May I find you with peace, and leave you with hope."

[Sundell]

My first try at a nasty Klingon Ship.

Class and Type: qeyIIS betleH-class Battleship re-fit (Sword of Kahless-Class Battleship)
Commissioning Date: 2370
Lead Engineer: Bill Ramsey
SU costs are in ()
Power costs are in []
HULL SYSTEMS
Size: 9
Length: 786m
Beam: 686m
Height: 286m
Decks: 24
Mass: 5,900,000 t
SUs Available: 3,500
SUs Used: 3,458
Hull
Outer (36)
Inner (36)
Resistance 20
Outer Hull: 10 (10)
Inner Hull: 10 (10)
Ramming Hull (9)
Atmospheric Capable (9)
Planet Fall Capable (9)
Ablative Armor 1500points = (300)
Structural Integrity Field
Main: Class 7 (Protection 100/150) (39) [1/10 prot/rnd]
Backup: Class 2 (Protection 50/80) (24) [1/10 prot/rnd]
PERSONNEL SYSTEMS
Crew/Passengers/Evac 8/3/40
Officers/Enlisted 5/3
Crew Quarters
Spartan Quarters 2,000 rooms (100)
Basic Quarters 1000 rooms (100)
Expanded quarters 100 (20)
Environmental Systems
Basic life support (36) [13]
Reserve life support (18) [7]
Emergency life support (18) [13]
Gravity (9) [5]
Consumables 5years (45)
Replicator Systems
Replicators food (9) [9]
Industrial 1 large 1 size 6 networks (9) [4]
Medical rating 8 (40) [8]
Recreation rating 8 (64) [16]
Personnel transportation systems (27) [2]
Fire suppression system (9) [1]
Cargo holds 10 (30)
Primary Cargo Holds have ramp extensions (6)

PROPULSION SYSTEMS
Warp Drive
Propulsion systems type8 (138) [50]
PIS: Type J (20)
Duration of MAX Warp 48hrs
Uprating package 4 Max Warp (8)
Speed: 8.0/9.6/9.982
Impulse Engines
Impulse engine .75c/.95c (40) [8/10] Power Available 64
Impulse thrusters (18)
Acceleration package gamma (8) [4] 100% of max available
Reaction control system (9) [2]
M/AM reactor (140) Power available 699
M/AM reactor (140) Power available 699
Auxiliary power gen 10 (30) Power available 50
Type f emergency power 50-power (50) Power Available 50
EPS system (50) +50 Power Transfer
Standard Usable Power: [1462]
OPERATIONS SYSTEMS
Bridge (Forward section) (45)
Computers 3 cores (54) [15]
Class beta (4) [2] +2 on all comp tests
Odn (27)
Deflectors dish (36) [5]
Auxiliary dish (9) [5]
Range: 10/20,000/50,000/150,000
Sensor Systems
Long range sensors (64) [5]
Strength 10
Gain Class Gamma
Coverage Standard
Lateral sensors class 10 gamma (47) [5]
Strength 10
Gain Class Gamma
Coverage Standard
Sensor Systems
Navigation sensors (46) [5]
Strength 10
Gain Class Gamma
Probes (50 Total) (10) [5]
NAV computer +2 (4) [2]
NAV Backup +2 (4) [2]
IDF (18) [3]
Attitude control (3) [5]
Manual steering (1) [1]
Comm systems
Comm systems (32) [2]
Strength 10
Gain Class Beta
Security Epsilon
Comm systems
Emergency comm (1) [2]
Multiphase tractor beam (13) [3/str]
Gain Class Delta
4/5/7/10
TRANSPORTERS
Transporters personnel 18 (120) [40]
E/R Array: Type 6 (40,000 km)
E/T Coils: Class J
Cargo type 3 8 (30) [20]
E/R Array: Type 3 (40,000 km)
E/T Coils: Class H
CLOAKING DEVICE
Cloaking device (39) [400]
Class 10
Security systems (20) [4]
Rating 5
Anti-intrusion (9) [1]
Internal force fields (9) [1/3]
Science Systems
Rating: 3 (+2) 10 (27) [3]
TACTICAL SYSTEMS
Location: Forward Centerline
Disrupters (52) [28]
Type:13
Damage: 280
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9 (4)
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg (50)
Location: Forward Centerline
Disrupters (52) [28]
Type:13
Damage: 280
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Port Dorsal Phaser Array
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg


TACTICAL SYSTEMS
Location: Starboard Dorsal Phaser Array
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Starboard Ventral Phaser Array
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Port Ventral Phaser Array
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Ventral ring
Disrupters (52) [28]
Type:13
Damage: 280
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Aft Phaser Array
Disrupters (52) [28]
Type:13
Damage: 280
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Port Aft strip
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg

TACTICAL SYSTEMS
Location: Starboard Aft strip
Disrupters (44) [24]
Type:11
Damage: 240
Emitters: 200 (5 shots/rnd)
Auto interlock class gamma 3/4/6/9
Range: 10/30,000/100,000/300,000 km
Firing arcs 541 +deg
Location: Port Dorsal Forward Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched
Location: Starboard Dorsal Forward Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched
Location: Port Ventricle Forward Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched
Location: Starboard Ventricle Forward Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched
Location: Port Aft Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched


TACTICAL SYSTEMS
Location: Starboard Aft Torpedo Launcher Advanced (18)
Standard Load: Type II Photon Torpedo (200 damage)
Spread: 8
Range: 15/350,000/1,500,000/4,050,000 km
Targeting: Accuracy 3/4/6/9
Firing Arc: Forward (self-guided)
Power: [20] +[5] per torpedo launched
TA/T/T/S: Class Epsilon (+3) (18) [6]
Torpedoes Carried: 400 (40)
Mines Carried: 100 (5)
Tricobalt Devices Carried: 10 (20)
Shield Type: Covariant 1400 (180)
Shield Generator: Class 7
Shield (Forward, Aft) (90) [140]
Shield (Port, Starboard) (90) [140]
Shield Grid: Type C (50% increase to Prot: 700) (18)
Shield SFD Amplifiers: Class Iota (Threshold: 450) (45)
Shield Recharging System: Class 4 (30 seconds) (18)
Shield Regeneration System 50/rnd (54)
Backup Shield Generators: 14 (25)
Auto-Destruct System (9)
Shuttlebay(s): Capacity for 30 size 2 ships (60)
Standard complement: 30 Shuttles
Location: 2 bays Forward Wing Centerline 1 Port 1 Starboard
Captain's Yacht: No
DESCRIPTION AND NOTES
Fleet Data:
The original qeyIIS betleH-class Battleship was first launched in 2285 the I.K.S. qeyIIS betleH-class Battleship. The Sword of Kahless class Battleship provides command and control to each of the Sectors Fleets within the Empire, its sheer size and armaments make it lethal to anything other than capital ships. As of 1665 IR or 2290 there are 4 qeyIIS betleH-class Battleship in service.
Noteworthy vessels / service records / encounters: I.K.S. qeyIIS betleH, (Sword of Kahless) prototype. I.K.S. yejquv ghop (Hand of the High Council). I.K.S. wo' HubwI' (Defender of the Empire). I.K.S. tiq lung (Dragon's Heart)

Currently of the original 4 only 2 remain they are now House ships of House DevnoH. The IKAV tiq Lung is commanded by Col Qor'toq zantai-DevnoH The Imperial Klingon Marine Commandant, Their upgrade was done in part by Col Qor'toq's son gosH'nal assigned as an exchange officer with the Federation. Even though the ship is one of the largest it is extremely difficult to detect with sensors.

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Sundell:
My first try at a nasty Klingon Ship.

My initial reaction - the warp speeds are too high and...why are those first weapons phasers and not disruptors?




[This message has been edited by JohnD (edited 12-06-2000).]

[Old Soldier]

I don't mean to be a bother, but could somebody critique the Gorn BC I have posted all by itself? I'm intending to design a small navy of Gorn vessels for my upcomming campaign, and this one was sort of a "shake out the bugs" trial.

I'm also in the process of figuring out what it is that makes Gorn ships decidedly "Gornish". So far, I'm using SFB as a basis but that may change once I get going. (After all, they're not cannon EITHER.)

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"Any society which is willing to surrender essential liberties in order to gain security, shall in the end have neither."

[Sundell]

Originally posted by JohnD:

My initial reaction - the warp speeds are too high and...why are those first weapons phasers and not disruptors?

[This message has been edited by JohnD (edited 12-06-2000).]

Why too fast, and i forgot to make them Disruptor arrays typo on my part

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Sundell:
Why too fast, and i forgot to make them Disruptor arrays typo on my part

Warp speeds of 8.0/9.6/9.982 (_especially_ the 9.982) seem too fast for a Klingon ship, let alone an immense Klingon battleship/dreadnought.