Vessels at Wolf 359

[Dan Gurden]

For them that are interested here is the list of ships participating in the Wolf 359 re-enactment.

I have separated canon data from additional and added notations where relevant.


canon ships
USS Ahwahnee NCC-71620, Cheyenne Class
USS Bellerophon NCC-62048, Nebula Class
USS Bonestell NCC-31600, Oberth Class
USS Chekov NCC-53702, Springfield Class
USS Endeavour NCC-71805, Nebula Class
USS Firebrand NCC-68723, Freedom Class
USS Gage NCC-11672, Apollo Class
USS Melbourne NCC-62043, Excelsior Class #1
USS Princeton NCC-59803, Niagara Class
USS Roosevelt NCC-2573, Excelsior Class
USS Saratoga NCC-31911, Miranda Class
USS Shiloh NCC- 52948, Nebula class
USS Yamaguchi NCC-26510, Ambassador Class
USS Miyamoto Mushashi NCC-40273, Excelsior Class #2
USS Hawkeye NCC-37241, Nebula Class
USS Kyushu NCC-65491, New Orleans Class
USS Agamemnon NCC-11638 Apollo Class
USS Buran NCC-57589, Challenger Class
USS Melbourne NCC-45227, Nebula Class (Just Commissioned) #1
USS Tolstoy NCC- 62095, Rigel Class
USS Liberator NCC-67016, Freedom Class #3

Non-Canon
USS Armistice NCC-10577, Ambassador Class
USS Montana NCC-43210, Mediterranean Class
USS Paul Revere NCC-12405, Miranda Class
USS Vigilant NCC-31922, Miranda Class
USS Drake Ramorez NCC-11264, Oberth Class (Medical Refit)
USS Mississippi NCC-65771, New Orleans Class
USS San Francisco NCC-11187, Excelsior Class
USS Journeyman NCC-26419, Ambassador Class
USS Damocles NCC-12345, Apollo Class
USS Valkyrie NCC-2590, Constellation Class
USS El Capitan NCC-30669, Challenger Class
USS Valley Forge NCC-43305, Excelsior Class
USS Surak NCC-46624, Freedom Class
USS ShirKahr NCC-21382, Miranda Class
USS Buenos Aires NCC-37524, Miranda Class
USS Shiva NCC-49983, Niagara Class
USS Daystrom NCC-72210, Cheyenne Class
USS Uma Norken NCC-6642, Excelsior Class
The T'Kren NAR-7863, Apollo Class (VDF Ship)

#1 - Two USS Melbourne Models were used, a Nebula Class in BOBW, and an Excelsior in Emissary. Although the name was never seen in BOBW it has been speculated that the makeshift fleet pressed both the original Melbourne and its replacement into the line side by side.
#2 - The USS Miyamoto Mushashi, was never named, Admiral Hansons flagship was given a registration and a class.
#3 - The USS Liberator is known only by a model of a ruined shuttle that had been on display during several tours, and is shown in the Art of Star Trek book. However the vessels class is pure speculation.

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

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[Cmmdr JT Wayland]

Dan,
If my memory serves me correctly, didn't the Klingons send some ships to help and were n't some of their crews captured as well.

TJL

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"Those Klingons are up to something, I can feel it in my bones"
Cmmdr JT Wayland
Strategic Operations Officer, Starbase 415, Dragomer Sector, Klingon Border, 2372

[Dan Gurden]

We had discussed that very matter, and a photo was found showing Klingon wreakage.

Unfortunatly it wasnt clear if the photo was from the Wold 359 wreakage or the scrapyard from unification.

In the end, although most people remembered the Klingons, nobody could verify the script excerp and so it was decided to keep this a pure Starfleet affair!

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[Bill Harris]

Originally posted by Dan Gurden:
In the end, although most people remembered the Klingons, nobody could verify the script excerp and so it was decided to keep this a pure Starfleet affair!

From what I recall, Admiral Hansen said that the Klingons were sending ships at the beginning of BoBW II. But this was said after Starfleet had assembled the armada at Wolf 359.

My guess is that the Klingons got there just after the shooting was over at Earth, much to their bitter disappointment.

[AslanC]

For an excellent Wolf 359 information page and with Okuda's comments as well check out Ex Astris Scientia;
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/

Just my two strip[s of latinum.

[Grimlock]

I could've sworn the Melbourne was an Excelsior-class ship...

[SIR SIG]

Some of those canon ships don't seem so canon, do you have a source for:

Shiloh
Yamaguchi (heard of it, but not in Wolf 359 context)
Hawkeye

Admiral's ship, I new about the registry so thats cool (there is a USS Musashi in DS9 though); and had heard about a rogue shuttle/small vessel; so again Liberator is cool.

A couple of those non canon ships are canon or atleast the names.

USS Valley Forge NCC 43305 DS9 Excelsior Class(Did it survive? Since the same registry)
USS ShirKahr NCC 31905 DS9 Miranda (different regsitry though)


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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[Caretaker]

I didn't see the USS Righteous on the list. It is somewhere between canon and non-canon (non-canon because it wasn't on tv or in the theater, but canon because it was filmed with live action). The events occured in the interactive movie (and later audiobook version of) Star Trek: Borg.

In it, Cadet Furlong is aboard a ship in 2377 when two Borg vessels head for Earth. Starfleet organizes an armada in Sector 001. Furlong requests to stay aboard to fight, but is refused. His father died at Wolf 359 and he wants revenge. That is when Q shows up.

Originally, on the way to Wolf 359, the Borg transport a drone aboard who tries to access the ship's systems. The security chief is killed and a young ensign ends up at tactical. He does not have the necessary experience to defend the ship in battle and when a Borg drone is transported to the ship during the battle, he can not stop it from accessing the systems and sending the shield modulation to the Borg.

Q transports you into the body of security officer Lieutenant Sprint (a friend of the elder Furlong) and himself into the body of Doctor Quint. When the drone transports aboard en route, you destroy it and prevent the security officer's death.

Basically, at the end, after being only partially assimilated, you stop the drone from sending the shield modulation information and the fatal shot by the Borg ship is ends up not being effective, so Q sends the ship to 2377, and the Righteous sets course to fight the Borg in that time.

Anyway, during the battle, you hear that Hansen has deployed the Melbourne, etc. (similar to what was heard on the Saratoga during "Emissary").

In essence, before changing history the Righteous was vaporized. After changing history, the ship avoided destruction and mysertiously disappeared (we can ssume taht Starfleet presumed it was destroyed until it showed up again in 2377).

But, anyway, this is another ship that can be added to the list, although the canonity of this one is TRULY debatable.

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[Dan Gurden]

I got my data from several websites (Most Notably Ex-Asteris Scientia), the Trek encycliopedia, and various other books (such as the Liberty from the shuttle wreck in the Art of Star Trek book)

I honestly have to say that I was lazy and used the websites primarily, and so there is room for maneuvre in the canon list

Caretaker: I had never once heard of the Righteous, or Q's involvement... So there was no way I could include something that neither myself (or any of the others) seemed to know about...

If Q was involved I think it could be explained as a Q test...

Well it looks as though several ships have been 'doubled up' but with the registration conflicts several of these could be described as predeccesor vessels...

Cheers for the input so far...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"

[Bill Harris]

Originally posted by Dan Gurden:

Caretaker: I had never once heard of the Righteous, or Q's involvement... So there was no way I could include something that neither myself (or any of the others) seemed to know about...

If Q was involved I think it could be explained as a Q test...

I think what Caretaker is referring to was presented in the computer game Star Trek Borg. It was originally published several years ago, and features original footage with John De Lancie.

[Makklor]

I did look up the script. Just for info, word for word:

As per the final draft of the script for "Best of Both Worlds Part
II, The"

Scene #9

Admiral Hanson – to – Riker, Geordi, Troi, Worf, Beverly, and Shelby.

"Your engagements gave us valuable time. We've mobilized a fleet of forty starships at Wolf 359 and that's just for starters… the Klingons are sending warships… Hell, we've even thought about opening communications with the Romulans…"

[Steve Long]

I don't think anyone's disputing that Hansen said the Klingons were sending ships -- I certainly never have.

But "sending" ships and having those ships arrive on time are two entirely different matters.

I remain utterly unconvinced that any Klingons fought at Wolf 359. There was certainly no mention of it, or of any Klingon wreckage, by Riker, Shelby, or anyone else viewing the aftermath of the battle. This strikes me as strange, particularly given the slavish devotion the writers on the shows seem to have for matters Klingon. The pictorial evidence remains, at least to me, inconclusive. Until someone comes up with definite proof of a Klingon presence, I see no reason to believe they were there -- and definitely no reason to have any Klingon ships in the Wolf 359 re-creation.

Besides, even if they were there, I'd just destroy them. }

Longcutus o' Borg

[Capt. K. Vaughn]

I believe it is a Voyager episode that establishes that the Klingons were at Wolf 359.

I do not recall with certainty which one at this moment but I believe it was the one where Seven suffers from the re-emergence of various personalities...

Regards,
CKV.

[Caretaker]

Now that I think about it, you may be right about that. I just wish I had that episode tapes so I could verify the accuracy of that fact. It is "Infinite Regress".

I've double checked, and in areas showing five nights a week reruns of Voyager, the episode should be showing on Thursday.
http://www.psiphi.org/voy/ep/203.html

I've checked some "Infinite Regress" reviews and they seem to say the same thing... one of the personalities is the mother of an office from the Melbourne. The Klingon does not necessarily seem to be from Wolf 359, but if you could double check it, Captain, I'd appreciate it.

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[Caretaker]

I went through my copy of The Star Trek Encyclopedia (1999 edition CD-ROM) and found all the ships listed as having been at the battle of Wolf 359. The list I compiled is as follows:

Ahwahnee
Bellerephon
Bonestell
Buran
Chekov
Endeavour
Firebrand
Gage
Kyushu
Melbourne
Princeton
Roosevelt
Saratoga
Tolstoy

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