Akira and Fighters vs D'Deridex Warbird

[JALU3]

I was reading back on this string . . . may I rename some of these fighters? And possibly give a name on the SQDron?

As far as Charactor is concerned . . . I haven't had time to make him/her I'll get back to you later.

[Roxe Zimmerman]

I will have to get back with which bird I would like to have. I would gladly give command of the air group to JALU3.

[Capt. K. Vaughn]

JALU3: The DWS is the Dominion War Sourcebook that Steve originally wrote for LUG's DS9 Line. With Don's help in layout, Steve is graciously submitting it to this site for free, for the consumption of ravenous LUGTrekkers everywhere.

Regards,
CKV.

[Cmdr Powers]

You're absolutely right about what 'CAG' means. Here it's just a nickname. The officer in charge of shuttles, fighters, shuttlepods, and other auxiliaries is Chief of Flight Operations (also responsible for Conn, BTW), and should be at least a LtCmdr.

As for 'wings', obviously this is a Trekism borrowed from DS9 Dominion War battles. A 'wing' would be any group of ships operating together during a battle. USS Vanguard has onboard the 222nd Attack Fighter Squadron "Hell's Angels" (insignia will be forthcoming). The 222nd is a rump unit consisting of at least 12 Starfleet Attack Fighters (and we're waiting on the new Valkyrie Strike Fighter). The 222nd is operationally divided up into two flights of six SAF's each. There may be another part of the 222nd operating on another Akira, somewhere else in space.

As for changing the names of some of the fighters, sure. I thought I came up with some good ones, but I'm sure you'll want to name your own, personal babies.

As for commanding the other small craft in this scenario- that's a very good question. This is already turning into a more and more complicated game as we progress. If one of you wants to command that Theta and someone else the Talon class USS Osprey, lets discuss it.

Roxe, if you would feel better letting JALU3 command the 222nd, that's perfectly okay. Can you please let me know if you have any experience with LUGTrek and/or Spacedock?


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"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" -Montgomery Scott

[Roxe Zimmerman]

Just started going over all of it. I am in the middle of printing it off. I would feel better about giving up command.

[SIR SIG]

If your having such a small SAF squadron, would it be prudent to have the entire Sqd spread out over multiple non-intereacting vessels?

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[JALU3]

As far as the structure of the Air Wing is concerned . . . all shuttlecraft and smaller vessles (including the Venture/Talon class Scout, and the Danube Class Runabout) should be part of the Air Wing; this would more closely relate current air wing capabilites and versitility. As far as the fighters are concerned . . . those who'd be a part of the Air Wing, but be considered as the Fighter Group.

Therefore . . . there would be the CAG, who is either a Captain or a Commander. The Captains of the Venture/Talon Class Scout and the Danube Class Runabout would be LTCMDRs or LTs. The Fighter Group would have its own Group Commander of LTCMDR rank. Then Each Fighter Group would be lead by a LT. The Shuttles would be one group onto itself (and part of the Airwing), this group would also be commanded by a LTCMDR. Then there is the support group which consist of the Maintanance personnel, Air Wing Quartmasters, and Ordanance Specialist, etc. These personnel would be commanded by a LT, however, these people would be Shipside and wouldn't be involved in what we are doing (besides the possible help they would give to the Ships Engineering Department).

As Far as my experience with this system . . . I'm rather new to it . . . however, I have more than basic (if not advanced) knowledge of fighter tactics, Air Wing Composition and Organization. Therefore . . . if anything give me command of the Fighter Group.

The Figher Group shall consist of the 442nd Wolfpack and the 100th Black Knights. Each is commanded by LTs and the craft flown by LTs or LT(j.g.)s.

In the Wolfpack there are the following "aircraft": Tomcat, Flanker, Typhoon , Eagle, Falcon, and Phantom.

In the Black Knights there are the following "aircraft": Paladin, Monk, Samauri, Musketeer, Cavalry, and SAS.

Therefore under this plan . . . even more complicated . . . however more accurate . . . we'd need a CAG, Venture/Talon commander, Danube commander, 442nd SQDron commander, 100th SQDron commander, and a Shuttle Group commander.

What do you all think?

Granted more clutter . . . however more accurate . . .

Here's another possibility: a Group Commander would either be incharge of coordination or the commander of one of the squadrons with in that group and the coordination with in that group.

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"See Everything; overlook a great deal; correct a little." -Pope John XXIII

[Cmdr Powers]

Originally posted by SIR SIG:
If your having such a small SAF squadron, would it be prudent to have the entire Sqd spread out over multiple non-intereacting vessels?

Not without precedent. Happens all the time, admittedly with somewhat more normal sized units.


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"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" -Montgomery Scott

[Cmdr Powers]

JALU3- What you're suggesting is correct as far as modern naval language goes and perhaps all right if we were playing Harpoon.
This is Star Trek and I'm the Narrator.

The SAF squadron is the 222nd AFS "Hell's Angels". You may name your personal ship whatever you want. We have yet to decide if there will be a 'captain' of the USS Osprey (or the USS Colorado), but at this point its likely- although we have to allow more equal participation on the Romulan side if we do so.

The Romulan ship does indeed carry plenty of auxiliaries. For purposes of this simulation, almost all of these will be shuttlecraft/pods. One or two Theta class couriers will be allowed if we are going to personally captain the Talon and the Danube.

Please try to keep in mind this is intended to be a test of how a small group of fighters can assist a starship in defending against a much larger single opponent. I realize that in 'real life' both starship captains would employ all the resources they had to bear, but I'm trying to keep this at a Trek level, as if it were part of an episode. This may seem 'artificial', but what I've set up is perfectly normal Trek, while being a valid test of fighter vs starship tactics.

I sincerely hope this doesn't upset you JALU3, but I'm trying to keep this project within bounds that I can manage, while still working at full-time job.

OBTW, I served with the USAF in Thailand at Udorn RTAFB. I designed MiG KiLLERS for Lou Zocchi Associates. My library is chock-block-full of everything from dash-ones to Janes. I DO know how its really done
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"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" -Montgomery Scott

[This message has been edited by Cmdr Powers (edited 03-03-2001).]

[Capt. K. Vaughn]

*chuckle* Though the Borg Cube is no more...the same can be said for more then half the fleet.

Good luck in your SIMM, I will likely remain lurking on the list to observe.

Regards,
CKV.

[pesterfield]

Sevekk if it is permitted I'd welcome you aboard. We appear to have 16 Theta shuttles and 8 shuttlepods. If noone else wants any of those individual vessels you can command the group if you want.

Before I continue I trust everyone will keep this seperate from any in game ideas. If you don't think you can don't read further. But otherwise I'd appreciate suggestions.
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I have two possible plans so far:
1. Since the Theta's have a slight impulse edge to lure the SAF's into the M class planet's atmosphere and take them out in dogfights. Though cloaks would probable be more detactable in atmospheres. This would probable be a catch as catch can idea.
2. Fight in the asteroid belt using the asteroids to hide, mask cloaks, throw them at the Starfleet ships, etc.

But my main hope is that the Akira will send a wing or less at us at a time then we can wolfpack.

[Sevekk]

Originally posted by pesterfield:
Sevekk if it is permitted I'd welcome you aboard. We appear to have 16 Theta shuttles and 8 shuttlepods. If noone else wants any of those individual vessels you can command the group if you want.

Actually the Shuttles are smaller than the Theta. The Theta is simular to a Runabout.
It depends on the Narrator but we may be able to get 3 or 4 of these but we would loose a shuttle and a shuttlepod per Theta if my memory is correct. I would personaly LOVE to have 4-6 Thetas, but I do not expect it.

I have two possible plans so far:
1. Since the Theta's have a slight impulse edge to lure the SAF's into the M class planet's atmosphere and take them out in dogfights. Though cloaks would probable be more detactable in atmospheres. This would probable be a catch as catch can idea.
2. Fight in the asteroid belt using the asteroids to hide, mask cloaks, throw them at the Starfleet ships, etc.

But my main hope is that the Akira will send a wing or less at us at a time then we can wolfpack.

I would prefer plan 2 to plan one as I suspect that the SAF's would have the advantage in the atmosphere and it would be compounded by the Talon class Scout that the Federation has.

I however agree that WolfPack would be the best bet. I do however have some other ideas as well.


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Doug Odell

[JALU3]

Hmmm . . . A Romulan Air Wing . . . sounds logical and accurate.

As far as my rejection of restructuring . . . cool. I understand . . . plus think about how many other people there would be if my plan went through, and the coordination it would take for everyone to do syncronize all their moves so the use of the fighters would be affective.

As far as the command of the Venture/Talon class and the Danube class . . . since I'm presuming that each Theta class is getting a commander . . . then these vessels should also get commanders . . . I mean they do have their own name and registration . . . makes sence that they should have their own crew.

As far as the squadrons go . . . how about this . . . The Air Wing is Comprised of all that I have stated . . . however, the Talon/Venture Scout and the Danube Runabout each have a commander (LTCMDR or LT). Each SAF SQDron has a (LTCMDR or LT). And the Captain of the Vanguard has command of the attached shuttles and shuttlepods? What do you think?

For it sounds like your giving the Thetas commanders . . . it only seems right since each would be considered a group of its own, and the smaller craft wouldn't have as much autonomy as the Runabout size craft.

As far as I'm concerned I was think that I get the 442nd Wolfpack SQDron, and the previous 'CAG' gets the other SQDron and is allowed to ulter the symantics (SQDron #, vessel names) as he/she wishes. However, one of us will get the position of SAF GRP commander, how does that sound? And thus the SAF GRP would inherit the 222nd "Hells Angels" designation but change from SQDron to GRP level.

Well I'll be LTCMDR Andress Lipumano (Human, Male, 34). You the GM can give me my stats as you seem fit, only seems right since I've been giving you such a hastle as far as Air Wing organization and what not.

It seems like it's going to be like this is developing out to be a Romulan Warbird with its AirWing v. a Akira and its AirWing. The Akira has a grave disadvatage already due to it's size, it's airwing (that almost negates our airwing), and our location (deep inside the Beta Quad. which would give the Roms a considerable advantage in terrain knowledage). This is almost like pitting a single Kitty Hawk class carrier with its airwing, minus its escorts against the Admiral K with its airwing in the middle of the Northern sea past Norway.

But I'm still up to the challenge, nothing like being the underdog. And hey if we die . . . I know that our comrades will avenge our death. Furthermore there's nothing like recieving honors posthumas (sp). Of course I would like to get them preferable alive, but lets see if we can pull a Kirk and save the day :-D

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"See Everything; overlook a great deal; correct a little." -Pope John XXIII

[dhorkan]

Hello again!

So, the crew is complete!!! I'm the captain of the USS Vanguard and I've already registered in starship battles. My email address is captdhorkan@yahoo.com.br, but for a "secure channel" we could use my other address: dhorkan@hotmail.com.
Nice to play with you guys!

Welcome aboard!

[dhorkan]

I have a question: the Talon-class scout has been destroyed? Have it already been attacked? What exactly happened to it?