BORG origins?

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by StyroFoam Man
The whole point of the Fish was to get a crew of Gun-ho players to open the damn hailing freuqs.... Which they did after a year of trying to blast and technobabble it to death.

Ahha, It all becomes clear to me now. I personally would have just stuck them on a shuttle in the Sol system...Sort of an Admiral's limmo service type assignment.

[Aldaron]

Wasn't there a VOY episode that dealt with the formation of the Borg? Or did I dream it?

I thought it was an ep with Seven "seeing" back in time or something...oh well...maybe I did dream it.

If we could just reconcile the V'Ger timeline with the fact that <i>First Contact</i> is set (sort of) 120 yrs earlier, I'd <i>love</i> to go with the V'ger idea!

I think it's great, personally.

[Capt.Hunter]

You're thinking of the Voyager script posted somewhere on the 'Net where they find an ancient probe sent by the proto-Borg which downloads memories into Seven. It was pretty good - shame Paramount never picked it up.

[C5]

That was a damn good script alright. I may use it someday in an adventure.

Merging V'Ger with the Borgs is a great idea, but that brings a few issues - for instance, the fact that in theory, only Q's intervention in 2365 made the Borgs aware of the Federation - they should have known about Earth long before if they were spawned by V'Ger.
Let's see... maybe they could have the same origin? Some powerful race, who tried to help less advanced species to evolve toward perfection (I'm thinking Xel'Naga, for those who read the StarCraft manual), and, after enhancing V'Ger, tried that on those who would become the Borg.

I'm a bit bugged having Borg millenia old. After all, given the speed they can adapt and expand, they would have assimilated the entire galaxy by now and been looking for a way to leave it. I would vote for Borgs only a few centuries old. Some civilisation like Earth in early 21st century, who took this Internet thing a bit too seriously .

Any other ideas?

[Aldaron]

Originally posted by Capt.Hunter
You're thinking of the Voyager script posted somewhere on the 'Net where they find an ancient probe sent by the proto-Borg which downloads memories into Seven. It was pretty good - shame Paramount never picked it up.

<i>That's right!</i>

I <i>knew</i> I wasn't dreaming it, but I couldn't place it in an episode. That explains it.

It's....it's all....it's all coming back to me now....<i><b>THE HORROR!</b></i>

[Dan Gurden]

Originally posted by StyroFoam Man



The whole point of the Fish was to get a crew of Gun-ho players to open the damn hailing freuqs.... Which they did after a year of trying to blast and technobabble it to death.

Surely the easiest way to do that would have been to simply make the fish proof against anything but unarmed, thus not to be considered a threat or source of new toys?

If you know they're ggung ho, waving something like that about is simply like waving a re flag for a bull.

It would also help if as Narrator you dropped the clue,by having the fish hail them.

After all you've seen the reaction to the presence of torpedos on the Fish. Everyone asks why. So the same logic applies to communications, ie; Why would an organic being be fitted with subspace tranceivers, and why the hell would it talk a language that we can understand, being a vacuum dwelling being and thus unable to vocalise?

Thus science was on the side of your 'gung-ho' players in assuming that there was no way to communicate.

nah, nah!

See, taken WAYYYY too seriously... But that is why I have spent the last year trying to avoid THAT DAMN FISH on these boards, its not my fault it found its way into a useful thread for plot seeds...

[Jalalabad]

I know books and canon don't go together in most cases, but Shatner's "The Return" explained the V'Ger probe/Borg connection pretty good and it made sense.
The probe was actually discovered by the Borg in deep space but it was non-operational. The Borg, being the scientists that they are, repaired the probe to accomplish it's primary mission (to assimilate data on the universe). Then of couse the rest is history, V'ger probe comes to earth looking for it's creator, Borg then discover humans in TNG and come to earth, etc

If you watch the movie it all sort of fits because there is a scene where they discover a dark world inside of V'ger that looks like a Borg world. I think Spock even makes a remark that this is the aliens' homeworld (the Borg).

Just some thoughts...

[Thundergod]

In Shatners book, which I don't reccomend, The Voyager nine probe, not V'ger incountered the borg homeworld. It was damaged and repaired by the borg and launched into space. I don't agree with this as a likley option. That is to say if you take the basic technology and styling behind V'ger and compare it to the borg there is a significant difference. Secondly, as was stated earlier, the borg had no knowledge of the federation prior to the J24 encounter. And thirdly the Ilia probe was ten zillion times more advanced than the standard drone, or even the queen. I say this because she was synthetic, and yet nearly perfect in her compostion. something the borg don't like. They find perfection in the mean between the flesh and the synthetic. Otherwise they would simply have tore data down, and not tried to "perfect" him.

[Marcus D Samson]

Second- The other night at work a thought came to me about the Borg (if you had my job you'd understand completely). Now we've all been assuming that the Borg began as a group of individuals, that decided to augment themselves, willingly, with cybernetics. What if the opposite is true- something along the lines of the movie "Virus".

Oh my god.....That means that Donald Sutherland is going to pop up one day!! The horror!