BORG origins?

[Captain Zymmer]

This one speaks for itself

http://pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20000917

[Uruz]

Was it ever said where the V'GER probe came from? The Klingons intercepted it first, which implies a rimward origin, which doesn't jive with the current galaxy layout that we all know.

Although it would make sense that V'GER, now perfect with the assimilation of Decker (it really was a self-inflicted assimilation, really) would want to know everything about the perfectness of the interface between organic life forms and machine.

[Lt. Dade]

Hey all,

I have a sort of mild disappointment with every Borg episode after "I, Borg" (excellent, that one). While reportedly even Roddenberry speculated that the Borg may be descended from V'Ger, I've been told, as a silly gag during an interview, on-screen canon (the strictest rule Trek can be held to, I feel) states that the Borg are ancient, and from very far away. They were so much more alien.

I had the pleasure of seeing "Q Who" and "I, Borg" again recently, and was re-inspired by the creepy, cold, unfeeling Borg of old. When we first met them, they were a menacing force that truly believed their way of life was right for everyone. It wasn't their tech level that scared me, it was their worldview. They were a gigantic bureaucratic machine that literally crushed and absorbed all citizens because it new better than they what was best for them.

By the time we get to VOYAGER's "Endgame," they have fully become just another Trek race or faction: vengeful, petty, and villainous. Their "perfection" motivation is, to me, unconvincing. I would have been much more interested to learn, during Voyager's journey, what it was that compelled some race of human-like folk to spawn the Borg all those centuries ago. Imagine the first race conquered by the Borg . . .

word,
will

[Captain Zymmer]

Um...it was not meant to be taken seriously...

Sorry about that.

Thought <---- Would give it away.

[Dan Stack]

Come now, you should know ALL things here are taken seriously...

[Lt. Dade]

Is that why the essay was presented as a modern American sequential art piece? What do you call it ... a "comic strip?"

I know you weren't serious, but after that damn TNN marathon the notion had been in my head and you, poor bastard, brought it out.

word,
will

[Commodore 2]

Exterminate! Exterminate! ah I mean Assimulate! Assimulate!

[Capt Daniel Hunter]

Hmm, I wish somebody would have pointed out to Shatner that the whole V'ger/Borg thing was errr.... somewhat dubious.

I too like the idea that the Borg have been about for centuries, if not millenia. Now if only they'd go back to their prewussiness phase, I'd be happy

[Captain Zymmer]

Yeah that TNN marathon kinda wore me out as well.

And I missed Yesterday's Enterprise by like a hair, simply forgot it was on...stupid...stupid...stupid....

Oh well, can't wait for the DVD

As for the BORG, maybe they are millenia old, but what encourages their growth? Is is when they deplete a region, and completely cyber-ize it, then they move on?

I hate the idea that a race is below assimilation, why? At the very worst, they are drones.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Dan Stack
Come now, you should know ALL things here are taken seriously...

Even Styro's STARSHIP EATING, WHY OH WHY DOES IT HAVE TORPEDOES, I JUST LAUNCHED A FLEET OF FIRE POWER INTO IT AND IT'S "OK", DAMN FISH!!!!!

[Phoenix]

First off, Sorry for the double post here.

Second- The other night at work a thought came to me about the Borg (if you had my job you'd understand completely). Now we've all been assuming that the Borg began as a group of individuals, that decided to augment themselves, willingly, with cybernetics. What if the opposite is true- something along the lines of the movie "Virus".

A non-corporeal energy being (referred to as "entity" from here on) merged (infected, etc.) with some form of an automated robotics facility, then started building devices to conquer the planet. After several failed attempts, the entity realized the technology it needed to build the devices it needed to win didn’t exist, so the entity turned to biology to accomplish it’s aims. By merging it’s robotics with a humanoid host (very primitive at first) it made more advances towards it’s goals. Somewhere along the process a new- combine consciousness awoke between the entity and the collective will of the planets population. There by creating the Borg, a relentless tool of conquest, no straying, no contemplation, no second thoughts- just one goal- control everything.

Thoughts, comments, large balls of plasma...

Phoenix...

[Capt.Hunter]

Look, for the last time, the giant space pleco (AKA That Damn Fish) is not a problem!!! All you need is a few torpedo casings, loaded with salt, vinegar and possibly pepper, and a bunch of really hungry nanites manufactured in London (preferably the East End of said city). Coat the pleco in the aforementioned flavourings and watch the little beggars go!

Of course, if you could find some really massive chips (for our American friends, that's what we Brits call Fries - crisps are our version of your chips), it could only help...

[Phoenix]

Eh, I like my recipe, please see http://forum.trekrpg.net/showthread....&threadid=2433

But the nanites sound usable too

Phoenix...

[StyroFoam Man]

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[Thundergod]

In my series the Q sent the crew back in time to an occupied world far away in the delta quadrant(mind you Q in my game was an adorible socialite couselor who had been oberving the crew for a year before people got suspicious-) . The aliens were humanoid, with forhead prosthetic and they spoke english. (thats a joke for all my alien races.) Anyway. There was a local warlord that had been taking system after system. He would kill off 90% of the population and leave only a few souls to help convert the planet into one he could take. Those last few would be considered slaves and would eventually be killed. The warlord of course didn't tell them this, he made them 'nobels' and promised them fantastic lives and full planetary governing. The warlord, Aneaas, (History buffs know that Aeneas of Troy was attibuted with the founding of the Roman Empire) had taken this last world but had several problems in bringing it into his control. There was an atmospheric variance that he had spent the last ten years converting into a breathable gas for his people. This gave an unpresidented amount of time for occupation. The survivors had time to plan a revolt. The atmosphere was soon to be readied and time was short. Now not every survivor thought that doom was comming some were loyal to Aneaas and his army, and some, a very few were focused only on finishing their scientific studies. Hellen was a scientist who had been working, prior to the conflicts, on a device that could coordinate physical actions. She wanted nothing to do with politcs or rebellions, she only wanted to perfect her device. The device did not control your mind, just coordinated what you physically did. The rebel survivors wanted to use her device to enhance there small fleet of ships that where hidden away. Alone they wouldn't even stand against one of Aneaas's ships, but if coordinated well they could destroy the fleet and eventually rebuild. So you have a group of bad genocidal aliens who are going to kill the last bit of a civilization and they run across the galaxy consuming system afteresystem. Dr Hellen who is consumed with finishing her device and wont stop until it is perfect, and a group of rebels who want to use Hellen's device to coordinate their attacks agains the evil genocidal aliens. Now INSERT player character group, suddenly affixed with forhead prosthetics and let them do what they will. I have ran this senario with two differnt groups and both ended up helping the rebels. Both groups suspected that the technology that hellen worked on not only resembeled the borg set up, but would eventually be the basis of the borg technology.
Who gets the tech, do you destroy it, help the rebels stand aside and do nothing? Whuddudo?


"Do nothing, and the Jeruians (occupied alien world) and yourselves will all die. Act and you will save them, but violate your own Prime Directive. Whatever you choose to do will have horrific consequences upon the future. I leave you now to your fate Captain Kirk." Givvens dissapeared in a signature flash of light that reminded all present that she was Q.