The real Rigel IV

[SIR SIG]

Okay after fleshing this out with Geoff Mandel over Enterprise cartography we came to some interesting data.

The Rigel in Enterprise is the same Rigel in TNG known as Rigel IV. Yet not being the Rigel from TOS which is the real Rigel at 700 odd lightyears.

So the close Rigel in Enterprise will become the Federation member world of Rigel IV. And here's a star:

Rijl al Awwa aka Mu Virginis at around 60 light years (40,-10,40) (rough cordinates, data not to hand).

Now Rijl currupts real nicely into Rijil and thus Rigel.

The Rigel from TOS is a border/outskirts/colonial type place. So the real Rigel at around 700 ly fits the bill.

As for Deneb; one of the close ones for the Federation member world. Perhaps Denebola at 37 odd ly or one of the other close Denebs.

The Deneb in TNG IMHO is the real Deneb at 1600 ly (old but Trek orientated data. Hipparchus blows this out to 3000+ ly)

[qerlin]

Heck, works for me. But are the other Rigels in different systems, as well? IV in one, X in one, VII in another...?

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[SIR SIG]

Originally posted by qerlin
Heck, works for me. But are the other Rigels in different systems, as well? IV in one, X in one, VII in another...?

Hard to say, you'd have to take flavour text and time period to flesh it out.

Since Rigel II involves McCoy meeting women. I'd say in the same system as Rigel IV.

Rigel V also has a 'homey' feel and thus I would make it part of the Rigel IV member world system.

Both Rigel VII and XII have a cold, colonial, backwater feel and thus the real Rigel at 700 ly distance.

And Enterprise's Rigel will become part of the Rigel member world system.

How's that?

[SIR SIG]

So in English that would mean:

Rigel IV (Rijl al Awwa aka Mu Virginis) the Federation Member world at a distance of 60 odd light years contains the planets: Rigel II, IV, V, X

Rigel (Beta Orionis) at 700+ light years; contains the planets: Rigel VII, XII because of their rustic, backwater feel.

Or I could just be babbling to make sense of Enterprise

[qerlin]

Oh, you're definitely babbling, SIG, but that what we like about you...

Acutally, I kinda like the explaination. Beats the pants of of one system with, what, 6 inhabited planets?

[Imagus]

Originally posted by qerlin
Beats the pants of of one system with, what, 6 inhabited planets?

Actually, I quite liked the way that worked for the FASA Orions supplement. Major evidence of a precursor race that had terraformed virtually the entire system... And their take on the main Rigel trade world (basically a planet-sized car park and market place) fitted quite well with the one from Broken Bow.

[qerlin]

Imagus -- I like the idea of the Orions as one of the older races toddling around the universe. Could be why the Rigel colonies are all called Rigel; we keep running into the green buggers.

For our universe, the Orions are all over the place, not just RIgel. They've had an influence all over local space. They have gone through periodic collapses of their civilization, but always make a comeback.

[Imagus]

ISTR that according to FASA, the Orions had been around for a while, but were widespread mostly because they were the first of the younger races to get access to precursor technology. They had basically been slaves to them and were at roughly medieval/renaissance level of culture. They had however, had a number of empires over a period of several thousand years, all working off that tech boost.

There was a nice touch that they didn't really understand a lot of their technology, so that while Orion ships tended to be advanced and very efficient in some respects, they were also somewhat archaic. They couldn't add new tech ideas to them, because it upset what was already there, and they had no idea how to design new ones!

[Balok]

LUG apparently took the position that the Orions had been around for a LOOONG time. In All Our Yesterdays it is mentioned that there have been seven or eight Orion civilizations, the implication being that something happened to destroy each of them, and the Orions eventually built a new civilization. From the same source, at least one of the Orion civilizations fought a war with the First Federation thousands of years ago. During that war, both sides tampered with emerging civilizations.

Periodically, extremely advanced (sometimes all but incomprehensible) artifacts are discovered on various Orion worlds. So far, nothing to change the balance of power. So far.