So what do people think about Enterprise? The New Series?

[SinTrex]

I have to tell you that so far that I am not that too impressed. The show has such potential and yet i find it wanting.

For example, During the premiere it showed a Klingon, on the Earth, and Humans had a chance to study it. If this is the case then why doesn't Dr. McCoy know the Klingon Anatomy in ST6? In TOS Kronos was far away, but it appers it's with in travel distance 100 years before Kirk. Also KLingons are BAD ASSES!!!!! THe Enterprise do not in my opinon do the mighty Klingon Empire Justice, it makes them more like roaming Space Dogs.

The Show is set in 2151, well in 2156 there is the first Earth & Romulan War, where the face of the enemy is not seen? Are they going to pull that off? They'll have to if the show is going to run it's standard 7 year course. Also the formation is in 2161 ten years from now, if we are to see the creatation of the Federation then i think that the show will have to be extended a bit huh?

The Uniforms look like rejects from the 4th season of Deep Space NIne, and the SHip looks like the Akeria CLass ship that makes it's apperance in ST8.


The two things that I do like, is the sense that it's all them, and that's it. THere is no starfleet or Federation to the rest -Q if they get in a fix it's all up to them to fix it. I also like the Human/Vulcan relations, to see it streached a little is a bit fun, and a new take. I like that.

I also am very excited to see the Andorians Appearing next week, so I chimmed in on what i think then.

well that's about

thanks for listing to my random thoughts.

SinTrex

[Psylent 1]

I was expecting more when Enterprise debuted and had my problems with the pilot, but then something changed my mind. TNN started showing The Next Generation. Being off on Monday and Tuesday, I got to watch the entire 1st and 2nd season back to back, and I almost hate to say it, but Enterprise is starting off better.

The production values are much better and the stunt men are not as obvious as the TNG. Many of the complaints about Ent could be said about TNG;
Recycled Script: The Naked Now was almost word for word the Naked Time.
Klingon D7/Kitinga: The first Klingon ship we see in both series.
Almost porno: Remember Justice?

So far Ent. has not given us a clip show(Shades of Grey), Gangsters(The Big Goodbye) or Vegas (The Royale).

Also with just 6 episodes I have a much better idea of who these characters are than with the first 6 TNG;
Encounter at Farpoint 1 & 2, The Naked Now, Code of Honor, Haven, Where No one has Gone Before

[Phantom]

I do have to say that it has the virtue of the most interesting pilot of the franchise. However, I have to vote no. To me it just does not feel like trek. I would enjoy it more if B&B had separated it from the Trek universe. I'm not talking as a nay sayer here, I think he premise has great potential...By itself. It just doesn't feel right to me.

[REG]

During the premiere it showed a Klingon, on the Earth, and Humans had a chance to study it. If this is the case then why doesn't Dr. McCoy know the Klingon Anatomy in ST6?

Vulcan intervention. After all, it was Dr. Phlox that was treating the injured Klingon, despite help from human medical technicians.

The Show is set in 2151, well in 2156 there is the first Earth & Romulan War, where the face of the enemy is not seen? Are they going to pull that off?

According to Braga, he has to. Can't ignore this piece of history. Although I do suspect they'll allow us -- the audience -- to view the Romulans, but they'll remain hidden to Starfleet and Vulcan.

Hmm. I wonder if Vulcans may have a role in the war.

The Uniforms look like rejects from the 4th season of Deep Space NIne, and the SHip looks like the Akeria CLass ship that makes it's apperance in ST8.

The uniform is the first real uniform I have seen to date. Complete with zippers. The others were too unrealistic to me, either they have to change pants with the pockets for tricorders and/or phasers to something more skintight WITHOUT any pockets.

And TECHNICALLY (ooh, I got goosebumps!), while top view would make the NX-01 and Akira an exact clone, from the side view they are very, very different. Take it from me, the techie Trek freak.


While I am still not a fan of Braga yet, so far so good (although the past episode was a bit of a snooze). And like you, I am anticipating the next episode spotlighting the first encounter with Andorians.

[Dan Stack]

I think McCoy not having the medical knowledge of a Klingon's anatomy is perhaps a bit too much nitpicking - would your dentist be the right one to perform emergency surgery in the event of a horrible gunshot wound? I suspect he or she would not have the needed medical knowledge, despite it being available in a book...

As a former wait-and-see person, I fall under the category of "I like it, but..." I consider myself real familiar with the Trek universe and none of the tech or continuity has bothered me....

But it doesn't seem all that bold to me - the stories have been OK, but not much more than that. I'd like a story that ticks me off (in a good way), one that challenges me, or grabs hold of me... Something like "In the Pale Moonlight" or "In the Hands of the Prophets". Or a tense piece like "Balance of Terror" or "Best of Both Worlds". So far it has seemed a tad too routine... Mind you it's not bad in my estimation, indeed so far I've enjoyed it for the most part, but I want something more.

[Scotty]

Is it following the time line? I would say for the most part, yes. Didn't one of the producers say something a mounting to 'well do our best, but we can't be perfect'?

As for the series, I like it. It has parts I didn't care for (such as the klingon appearence in Unexpected) but I still think it's good.


Scotty

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Dan Stack
I think McCoy not having the medical knowledge of a Klingon's anatomy is perhaps a bit too much nitpicking - would your dentist be the right one to perform emergency surgery in the event of a horrible gunshot wound? I suspect he or she would not have the needed medical knowledge, despite it being available in a book...

That is one of the many continuity (ohhhh, there's that dirty word again) problems even the early years had. In "Trouble with Tribbles" Dr McCoy did know the Klingon anatomy, at least with the use of a tricorder. However, in "Undiscovered Country" for some reason he has "forgotten" what he knew.

Oh, well. I really didn't have a problem with that particular part of the series. My gripe has shifted from continuity problems to the fact that, so far, the series has been one big formula piece. I want something new and fresh...Not old and rehashed to death.

[REG]

They shouldn't have used Klingons in the "Unexpected" episode. They could have used a different hostile alien. (Orion?)

But unfortunately, Archer wasted his "favor" on something less important.

[Dan Stack]

Hmmm... The ST6 thing still seems ok. It's one thing to know that given a certain heart beat, blood pressure, body temperature, etc. indicates a Klingon, it's another thing entirely to know enough to perform major surgery.

But in any case, I do tend to agree with you Phantom, though perhaps not as strongly. I want better writing as well. I want to be challenged, I want to get pulled in, I want to count down the days to the next episode. I tune in every week and for the most part enjoy it, but... I'd rather they try bold things every week and fail some of the time then have them "play it safe" which they seem to be doing.

[Eric R.]

Actually I believe the line McCoy said in StVI was something to the order of....

"Help him? . . . I can bearly understand his anatomy!"

That sugest he has only a passing knowledge of the Klingon like I have a passing knowledge of Human Anatomy. Yes when I look at the parts I can say thats a heart, lung, and etc but to actually start working on them and repairing them thats a differant ball game.

As to the Series itself based on the first 3 regular episodes I have seen I have to Yes. There far better than any of the previos starts Theres a real settled into feel with everything and I think the sets are well done much better than Tos but still making the effort to use the styles (example the Transporter controls). The filming style and pace reminded me alot of DS9 as did the music score. The intro is much better than ANY Trek intro, series or movie, I have ever seen.

Like Archer, but I expect him to change much like Sisko did, liked Trip alot (favorite so far as is "unexpected") and the Doc. Can lose Hoshi and her constant moaning, the captain needs to slap her upside the head once or twice to get her stright and maybe I will reconsider, but then again I never did warm up to Kira either. I still think that SLUGO will trun out to be Artimus in 200 hundred years.

Hell, I even like the Dog!

I like the sense of theres no other ship out here but us, but I look forward to the fleet expanding in the coming seasons. In all it is still a mixture of all three previous series in a bowl and the mixer has just started and you can still see the parts before they all become blended together.

[darkwing duck1]

Originally posted by REG
But unfortunately, Archer wasted his "favor" on something less important.

Watch the ep again...It was T'POL who "called in the marker". Archer didn't know what the heck was going on;he went along because he was trusting that SHE did.

What bothered me about THAT was that T'pol made Archer look weak by jumping in like that. OK, he didn't know enough about Klingons to play the "favor" card. Whose fault is that? The VULCANS'! Yet another example of them holding back important information.

This is the area of Enterprise that is least appealing...the combination of high-handedness and backstabbing that the Vulcans are up to (Though to be honest, I'd always assumed that there'd be a "dark side" to the Vulcans...I even worked it into my campaign.)

[Commodore 2]

We have to keep in mind that the Vulcans are a very, very private people; they don't seem to believe in the humans, at least not yet. I'm looking forward to the episode highlighting the Andorians.

[qerlin]

Since the other shows had pretty crappy continuity until DS9, I'm willing to give the canon-bashing a pass. I just consider this more remake of TOS than part of that timeline. Hell, there was a lot of crap in TOS.

It's off to a better start than the other series. It's still better than Voyager ever got.

The uniforms: finally, something that looks functional and real, instead of veloure primary colors of TOS, the pajamas of the first flick, and those stupid skintight things from TNG. Pockets! What a concept! Best uniform since the redcoats of the TMP.

Sets: blows the doors off of TOS. And no more touchpads -- anyone with a laptop knows how good an idea that'd be in the heat of combat.

Akiraprise. I wasn't really thrilled before, but she's growing on me.

The acting's been surprisingly good: Blalock -- who I don't think is very attractive -- is very subtle. The engineer guy is pretty good & very likeable. They've got a dog on board...who can resist that? "Here ya go, boy! Be the first Earth animal to take a squat on an alien world!"

There's a whole lot of bad sci-fi out there. This isn't the worst of it.

[darkwing duck1]

The "redcoats" were WOK, not TMP...

[Admiral Wolf]

Is anyone else a bit peeved that B&B were to cheap to at least attempt to alter the apperance of the Klingon 'cruiser' to make it seem that this was a pre-TOS Klingon ship??

I mean come on...the same damn D7 class ship we have seen right up to STTMP....you mean to tell me the effects dept. couldn't hack up the modle a bit to make it look like a slightly different vessel??

I knew B&B where going to beat us to death with the damn love of all things Klingon