Star Trek: The Magazine Dec 2001

[Dan Stack]

Hope y'all like Star Trek: The Motion Picture as that's all this issue has...

• Finishing the Movie
• Robert Wise
• Stephen Collins
• The Director's Edition
• Spock and Xon
• Persis Khambatta
• Briefing 1 - Enterprise Refit - Overview, Main Bridge, Blueprints, Main Engineering, Engineering Suits, Willard Decker, Ilia, Environmental Suits: 2271, Phaser :2271, Communicator: 2271, Tricorder: 2271
• Director's Edition VFX
• Making It Match
• Sounding Right
• Visual Effects: 1979
• Robert McCall (Illustrator)
• Brifing 2 - K'Tinga Class Battle Cruiser - Introduction, Main Bridge, Blueprints
• Harold Livingston: Writing the first Star Trek Movie
• Redesigning U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701
• The Memory Wall
• V'Ger: The Living Machine
• Production Design
• The Props
• Briefing 3 - V'Ger
• Collectables
• Star Trek Stories

Me, I'm happy. The ST:TMP Enterprise is my favorite Enterprise, far superior to 1701-A.

[darkwing duck1]

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It's the same model!

[Dan Stack]

True, but...

First, dealing with the exterior. The paint job on the ST:TMP Enterprise is quite simply, amazing - all the fine levels of detail which we don't see in any of the other films (including ST2 and ST3 except when footage is reused from ST:TMP). After TMP the model had to be repainted many times, losing much of the original detail. I love those glorious close views we see of Enterprise where we really can see the fine detail of the ship - to be honest, she seems the largest of all the Enterprises since all of the ones which followed (and preceded) lacked that amount of surface detail. She was just the right size. The E-D was just too big too really grasp.

Seconly, the interior. I nearly weep when I see the interiors of ST5 and 6 - the reused components from TNG. One notable exception to this would be the bridge of ST6, my favorite of all the bridges (aside from the little turbolift problem). The ST:TMP Enterprise had an interior which showed it had been well-thought out and intended to match with the outside.

Just my opinion of course.

[Commodore 2]

I liked the original refit of Enterprise as well.

[odoital]

Hey thanks! I don't have to do the write up this month!

Hope I can find mine today!

[prophetsteve]

Seconly, the interior. I nearly weep when I see the interiors of ST5 and 6 - the reused components from TNG. One notable exception to this would be the bridge of ST6, my favorite of all the bridges (aside from the little turbolift problem). The ST:TMP Enterprise had an interior which showed it had been well-thought out and intended to match with the outside.

I agree with the interiors. While STVI is one of my favorite movies I was a tad dismayed at the presence of a TNG-style warpcore in Engineering.

One of the things about the later TOSMovies was the shift from the "TOSbutton" consoles to the touch-sensitive consoles of the TNG era. And the Okudagrams are really cool - in fact I enjoyed the design of the STIV-STVI Okudagrams than the TNG LCARS system.

And what exactly was the "Turbolift" problem? Don't remember the ST6 turbolifts myself.

[Hirogen Alpha]

Originally posted by prophetsteve



I agree with the interiors. While STVI is one of my favorite movies I was a tad dismayed at the presence of a TNG-style warpcore in Engineering.

One of the things about the later TOSMovies was the shift from the "TOSbutton" consoles to the touch-sensitive consoles of the TNG era. And the Okudagrams are really cool - in fact I enjoyed the design of the STIV-STVI Okudagrams than the TNG LCARS system.

And what exactly was the "Turbolift" problem? Don't remember the ST6 turbolifts myself.

Wasn't there a TNG style warpcore in TMP and TWOK?
I actually liked the A more, I hate pastel colors in starfleet and that bridge in 6 was so cool. But I have to admit the paint job on the Enterprise in TMP was glorious, more so than the other films.

[Dan Stack]

A few notes...

There was indeed a TNG-style warp core in TMP and STII. A better way to put it though would be there a TMP-style warp core in TNG... I believe they used parts of the TMP Enterprise for the TNG engineering set. Then, in STV and STVI they simply used the TNG engineering set, something I didn't care for.

As for the turbolift problem - by STVI, the bridge turbolifts had moved from the rear of the bridge to nearly the far port and far starboard. However, close examination of blueprints reveals the aft portion of deck one has room for such turbolifts, but the port and starboard does not. (Hmm, that could be a sign I obsess about this too much). However, the look of the STVI bridge is very nice. It actually tried, in my opinion, to capture elements of both TOS and TNG.

[Flamestrike]

My only question is what sort of added footage (finishing the movie) are we talking about for the "special edition" DVD? Thirty MORE minutes of the Enterprise in drydock?

But seriously though I'm looking foreward to the cut-away of the bridge of the K'Tinga! Anything that aids me with the operation of pirates is good... Imagine a squardron of klingon pirates armed with ECM torps, cloaking devices, and the sheer mass of that K'Tinga... There's just something sinister about the bore of that foreward torpedo launcher... like looking down the throat of a demon...

[prophetsteve]

There was indeed a TNG-style warp core in TMP and STII. A

There was a blue "neon step ladder" in TMP and TWOK? That was what I was referring to.

The horizontal section of the TMP/TWOK warp core appeared to be more like Voyagers warp core than the warp cores of Enterprise-D and the Defiant.

This is all from memory - I may be wrong.

[Dan Stack]

Ahhh... When y'all said TNG-style core I was thinking of the vertical shaft as opposed to the TOS Engineering Set (Back in my day, there was no TOS, it was just Star Trek.... )

Yeah, the warp core (or intermix shaft for us old timers... ) in TMP and ST2 was indeed differerent from the one scene in TNG. I meant I believe portions of the TMP set were used for the TNG engine room (i.e. the mini-elevators, ladders, etc.) Then the TNG engine room was pretty much used as-is in ST5 and ST6.

The Voyager core did probably come closest to the vertical portion of the shaft seen in TMP - may have been the same actually, though I don't know.

[Thundergod]

HOLD IT...STOP....ENOUGH.


TOS.
Matter and anti matter were combined in the nacelles and warp was achieved. Gene wanted to have the engines to be away from the ship to reflect their power.

TMP
The power was brought inside. Now they wanted us to see that power, but know that it was mastered. Matter and antimatter were combined in the base of the intermix shaft and routed to the impulse deflection crtstal and the warp nacelles ...again achieving warp.
This also limited impulse power generation. There were four backup fusion reactors that could replace the warp energy though.

TNG
This is the same essential set up as TMP except that there is no link to the impulse engines. I think that was wise.

DS9
They were just wierd with there ships.

Voy
Magic in now incorporated in to starfleet technology.
A magical shaft powers the ship. Notice there is no connection point from the warp core to the engines. WPC were eliminated to make room for extra bathrooms.

Ent.
Im afraid to ask.

[Dan Stack]

HOLD IT...STOP....ENOUGH.

Does that mean the thread should now be locked down? (Notice the smiley)

[Flamestrike]

Originally posted by Thundergod
HOLD IT...STOP....ENOUGH.


TOS.
Matter and anti matter were combined in the nacelles and warp was achieved. Gene wanted to have the engines to be away from the ship to reflect their power.

Where did you hear this?

I had read in an issueof the ST:M that Gene had said that the warp nacelles were out on pylos because the fields they created
were dangerous, not because the matter and antimater was mixed in them...

TMP
The power was brought inside. Now they wanted us to see that power, but know that it was mastered. Matter and antimatter were combined in the base of the intermix shaft and routed to the impulse deflection crtstal and the warp nacelles ...again achieving warp.
This also limited impulse power generation. There were four backup fusion reactors that could replace the warp energy though.

Again, you're forgettng that the M/AM needed to be channeled through dilithium.... The dilithium chamber inthe TOS enterprise was a little hatch in the back wall in Engineering. This would indicate to me that the intermix shaft/warp core was taken out of the back wall and placed into the center of engineering for better monitering and/or maintenence...

DS9
They were just wierd with there ships.

Wierd how? Runabouts had a warp core, it was just contained in the dorsal interconnecting spine and channeled power to the nacelles and impulse engines via curved conduits in those thick pylons.

Voy
Magic in now incorporated in to starfleet technology.
A magical shaft powers the ship. Notice there is no connection point from the warp core to the engines. WPC were eliminated to make room for extra bathrooms.

Well, that is easily explained. The Intrpid-class vessel is designed differently than your standand starfleet vessel, with different superstructure to deal with-- the necelles come diectly out of the secondary hull on short variable geometry pylons at the extreme aft of the ship. Just like with TOS, just because something isn't visibly prominant doesn't mean that it's "magic" or isn't there.

Ent.
Im afraid to ask.

Um... have you actually watched the show? They feature a very hefty hoizontal warp core that requires constant maintenance...

[Thundergod]

I don't know why I even wrote that post. I was upset that the fine design of the Enterprise was being muddled up with the hap hazzard technology of TNG. Im sorry if I got heated about it.
However I do not back down from my statement that the Voyager warp core is a Dungeons and Dragons device. It operates on magic.
The warp core of the voyager is a re use of the old TMP intermix shaft. But the technology is radically different. Where as the the intermix shaft was a fore runner of the WPC the Vwarp core actually combines the matter and antimatter in a pureee fashion.
BUT at present there has not been shown on the series, in the the okudagrams, ST the magazine, or in any technical drawing; the way that all the power of the warp core gets to the warp engines. Now there are WPC's on the Voyager, but there is no connecting point to the warp core. Its Anitmatter injector/core/matter injector...with no other structures in between.
This matter was adressed by the staff and ST the magazine and they had no answers for me. If you can find it you can chastise me...until then...
Voyagers warp core is magic.