Manpower Breakdown on an Akira

[JALU3]

I'll have to agree with you Scott. A carrier configured Akira Class cruiser, with attached RRT brings the manpower discussion into a whole new realm, and almost worthy of a Commodore/Rear Admiral Command.

As I see it, it would be best if one of us were to get their hands on the FM(Field Manual), or whatever the USN calls it, on Carrier Operations and Manpower allocation.

Furthermore, there are technically three commands onboard.

Starship
'Air' Wing
RRT

The latter two being attached to the Starship, but able to operate independently, and not permanently attached as part of the Starship command.

Thus onboard the Vanguard, there'll be overlapping areas of responsability. Starship Security for instance is covered by the Security Division and the attached RRT group. Shuttle operations are still under the command of the Starship, however, the Air Wing controls all extraStarship opps concerning the use of Shuttles, Fighters, etc.

However, I will have to quote this and ask, once more, where did all these go?

From the new Star Trek Starship Spotter (and thus Canon):

Akira Class
Embarked Craft (Typical):
10 Work Bee General Utility Craft
40 Fighters (various classes)
10 Shuttlecraft (various classes)
5 Shuttlepods (various classes)

(Just got my copy via the mail less then three hours ago)

But back to the subject at hand. Honestly, under the Carrier configuration, 500 some odd crew members seems rather small. I was imagining more like 650, utilizing those Sparce crew quarter configuration. But that would be off set by multiple Holodecks, recreational areas, and mess halls. Comments? Suggestions?

For with 650 persons, you can get far more done, and the commands will have more then enough support personnel to go around (for 'Planes' don't fix themselves, and paperwork doesn't get done magically (oh, how I wish it did, otherwise Lipumano wouldn't have such a high Admin skill rating (OOG))).

[calguard66]

In the USN for years the CAG was a Commander, and the Airwing was subordinate in command to the captain of the carrier... but still their own chain of command from there on down.

Then they had the idea that the airwing was really a taskforce asset... just like a ship, or the Marines embarked on an assault ship who are under the captain's authority only while actually aboard his ship. They moved the CAG position to a full O-6, technically equal to the ship's CO but under his authority while aboard ship.

Now the USN has gone back to the CAG being a commander.

It really all comes down to docterine. Is the element in question an independant entity that just happens to be aboard a particular ship, or is it an integral part of the ship's operations?

[JALU3]

Well depends who you ask. But since this is all a fluid situation, and I'm the CAG, O-4, I would say that it's an Independent command.

Scott?

[Cmdr Powers]

Well, you've been acting as if it were an independent command.

Seriously, out where we are, CAG takes his orders from Captain Marques, who in turn acts as 'Task Force Commander' of sorts, in overall charge of all Starfleet assets for the surrounding 100 light years or so. Lt Robinson (in charge of RRT's) also takes his orders from the Captain- well, he damn well better!.

That having been said, CAG acts as Commander Aerospace Group and the Executive Officer in this case, is in charge of Flight Control, but does NOT command CAG. Does that make any sense?

Glad you like Starship Spotter, but don't get too attached to those shuttlecraft/fighter numbers. Those are the ideal case.

Scotty

[SIR SIG]

I must admit I agree with the seperate 'commands' being seperate parts of the Task Force.

That way the Cpt can tell everyone what to do on his ship. Just like in Trek where a Cpt can tell off an Adm since its his ship. Although the Adm can relieve the Cpt

But shouldn't CAG just be the fighters and associated craft that come aboard. And not be part of any of the ships regular shuttle complement of say 20 SU's worth?

Perhaps the Akira has a regular shuttle bay which is seperate to the 'down below' through-deck fighter bays?

Thus everyone is seperate and happy with their individual command groups.