Federation Jedi - SW meets Trek

[Eric R.]

Yes A cross over but I have always been more intrique with the idea of introducing the elements of one into the universe of the other for example i was thinking of writing a story and this came to mind.

In 2381 a Starfleet vessel finds a disabled Republican crusier (the one seen at the start of Phantom meneance) aboard the away team find 100 or more near death from lack of life support. Once aboard the Starfleet ship all begin to recover quickly with little medical attention. They explian that they were being pursued by Imperials when they encountered a Time/Space anomoly the ship was violently tossed about and had suffered damage and they had been adrift for close to a week. As the investigation continues it is soon realized that these people dressed in their brown robes are very peacable but still very strange.

Meanwhile these Jedi discuss among themselves they detect the force as being present but yet no one amoung these people sense it. That their Histories have much to be admired and they all are impressed by the Code of the Prime Directive which they see as a means which has prevented this universe from degenerating into the same type of one which they have just left. They all quickly conclude there is no way for them to return to their universe and that this is were they will live from now on.

Their leader Din Ja Quon, asks to talk to the Federation councle on an important manner. Starfleet still unsure has reservation and even though PSI detection is off the scale with these people there seems to be little to be worried about. The meeting is approved and the Jedi ask to form a new Jedi councle to serve the Federation after a sufficent demonstrations of all their powers both PSI and normal ones such as Diplomatic and militarily.

Questions:
Would the Federation accept such an offer which would replace Starfleet in someways?

Would the Federation even be so open as to allow these Jedi to exist openly among the Federation?

Would the Jedi allow the Federation to understand and use the technology of the Republic (Hyperdrives, Light Sabers etc..)?

How would the other powers in the Trek Universe react?

Would the DarkSide eventually appear, and from where?

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[darkwing duck1]

I think we can safely rule out Borg Jedi...the corruption of spirit involved in assimilation would sever the Jedi's connection to the force, IMO.

[REG]

Would the Federation accept such an offer which would replace Starfleet in someways?

I doubt you can replace a large yet necessary paramilitary organization with a penchant for exploration, especially when only a few individuals here (not the Jedi) have exhibited such potential as a Force-user.

Refresh my memory, but how is psionics and right to privacy enforced in the Federation? I mean how can you tell if a psion is "peeping" into your mind without you noticing it? Or subtly manipulate your decision in his favor?

AFAIC, as a denizen of the Star Trek universe, their reputation from the Star Wars universe do not carry weight here, especially when it's only hearsay.

Would the Federation even be so open as to allow these Jedi to exist openly among the Federation?

As long they don't violate any laws including the civil rights of an individual or cause an intergalactic incident, they can do whatever they want.

Would the Jedi allow the Federation to understand and use the technology of the Republic (Hyperdrives, Light Sabers etc..)?

With the exception of the lightsaber, the rest is up to them. But if the group of Jedi is an agency of the Republic, then they must confer with their government (Senate).

How would the other powers in the Trek Universe react?

Cautious.

[Eric R.]

With the exception of the lightsaber, the rest is up to them. But if the group of Jedi is an agency of the Republic, then they must confer with their government (Senate).

Thats just it, there is no govrnment for them to connect with there on their own, the republic gone, they were being chased down when they entered the anaomly.

[REG]

Then only my first statement above matters. Unless they have technology that is considered illegal to the Federation or dangerous, then it's up to them. If they prefer to become citizens of the Federation they have to obey Federation law.

Personally, I'd like to see two factions within the Jedi group: Those that believes they prefer autonomy and opposes to the membership into the Federation while the others wants to.

This could be ripe for any political intrigue especially with Romulans involved.

One thing for sure, the Jedi are on their own, with knowledge of the Republic as their guiding principle as well as their Jedi training. They have to think what is best for them, regardless if they may need assistance from others.

[Admiral Wolf]

Originally posted by REG

Personally, I'd like to see two factions within the Jedi group: Those that believes they prefer autonomy and opposes to the membership into the Federation while the others wants to.

IMHO, While the UFP Council might "hear" what these "Jedi" have to say [more likely of Federation Diplomatic Corps Rep out on a Star Base] because of their extra galactic/time/space origens.....

I doubt the UFP would offer "membership" to any one group of Individuals last i heard UFP membership required a unified planitary gov't.....and what are we talking about here 10 - 15 - 20 guys in robes from another dimension .

I'm sure there would be many in the Federation who would be interested in these Jedi and there *amazing* powers....especialy Starfleet Intelligence....can you imagin....Jedi powerd and trained Starfleet Intel agents....now that would be some fun games....Romulans, Cardassians ,(Klingons) would freak LOL.

[REG]

Well, if not a planetary-scale government, can they still join as a political entity? Or naturalization?

[Eric R.]

My original thinking was that they would endeavour to form a new council to serve the Federation and to strengthen their ranks with new force adept Jedi coming from all the members of the Federation. Thus a political peacekeeping force for the Federation.

[Balok]

I doubt they would be admitted as a political entity per se. However, they could certainly find a member world on which to settle, and attempt to influence that world's policies.

They could also find a non-member world, perhaps one lacking FTL technology, and offer their services as a peace force. If their intervention brought that world to the point where it qualified for Federation membership, they might gain influence in that fashion.

Remember, too, these facts:

- the Federation can produce telekinesis in any human, and possibly in Vulcans as well. McCoy figured out how to do it during the events of "Plato's Stepchildren"

- the Federation signed a treaty with the Romulans in which it agreed not to develop cloaking technology. It might, for political and stability reasons, agree to sign similar treaties with one or more powers that specify it may not use Jedi as agents or plenipotentiaries.

- there are many races to whom even Jedi powers would be irrelevant. While a Jedi could easily defeat a Klingon or a Jem'Hadar in single combat, it is less clear (for example) how a Jedi would fare in telepathic combat against a Melkot.

- there's also all kinds of technology out there (some still in the hands of its creators) that makes Jedi abilities irrelevant. We don't know too much about this in the Star Wars universe, because Lucas hasn't provided much canon material (that I am aware of) on this point. So it's unclear how the Jedi might react to this situations.

I think they could get along just fine. I just don't think they'd be as relevant, even if they managed to find Force adepts and train them into a new cadre of Knights.

[REG]

- the Federation can produce telekinesis in any human, and possibly in Vulcans as well. McCoy figured out how to do it during the events of "Plato's Stepchildren"

Refresh my memory, but if McCoy were able to discover this (no doubt he will become famous and deserve a Federation-equivalent of a Nobel prize) why haven't we see normal human employing TK the way we modern folks employ new stuff like wireless phone or pagers into our everyday life? One would think that further down the line from the 23rd Century to the 24th Century, every human is TK-capable.

[C5]

One of these TOS knowledge that seems to have been lost the next century...

In this episode, McCoy discovered that a certain substance, whose name I have forgotten (begins with k, I think), grants telekinetics abilities to humans (and, apparently, half-Vulcans as well ). A few hours after injection, Kirk was indeed able to make objects fly around him as the next Jedi.
What I would think was that this substance is very rare, and McCoy was only able to inject it only because it was present on high concentration on this planet (wich BTW was the reason why the locals could use tremenduous telekinetic powers).

This is off the current topic, but there is indeed a lot of potential here... maybe enough to start another thread about it.

Anyway, back on the topic, maybe this k-substance could reveal to be somehow tied to the Force?

[Karg]

I dont think the Knowlage was lost, but there are 2 reasons for not using it


1 IIRC the compound was found naturally occuring only on that planet, which by the way, is not a federation member.

2 The Federation mind set would frown apon this. People should better themselves by there own devises or thru evolution. Developing TK thru an Injection would be on the same level as Eugenics and would be Viewed by may as such.

McCoy developed that serum as a stopgap method to level the playing field for Spock and Kirk

Karg

[Diamond]

I remember that Episode - Plato's Stepchildren. I was thinking of adventure seeds when I watched it. In particular I was thinking of having Alexander appear as an NPC. After all, he left the planet at the end of the episode.

Anyway, here is what I imagined might be the UFP's reaction to that planet:

UPF delegation: What you did to our away team and Alexander was wrong. But we'll forgive that if you trade your TK-infusing substance for our trade goods. As long as you don't do any more human rights abuses, of course.

Platonians: Well, the substance is in limited supply. If we trade it away to you, we'll stop being immortal anymore. Leave us alone. Forever.

UFP: Ok, have it your way.

I imagine that whatever of the substance was leftover from Kirk's expedition got saved by the UFP. Either for study or for use in an extreme emergency.

[Balok]

The substance was called, I believe, "kironide". It was described in the episode as a "high energy source". On Platonius, where they were during "Plato's Stepchildren", the native foods contained this substance. Once in the human body, it was "broken down by pituitary hormone" into some substance the brain could (apparently) use to power telekinesis.

It took the natives several months of eating native food to acquire the power. McCoy bypassed that by preparing some form of concentrate (using the items found in a common medikit, no less!), so that Kirk acquired the same telekinetic abilities the Platonians had. McCoy infused Kirk with twice the concentration found in the blood of the most powerful Platonian, Parmen. Kirk was able to best Parmen in telekinetic combat, and free the landing party from Parmen's control.

Presumably, the kironide metabolites are eventually flushed from the body. At the very least, they would disappear when used to power telekinetic acts, unless replaced with periodic injections.

Why doesn't the Federation use this technique universally? The Sandharans who settled Platonius were thousands of years old before they acquired "The Power". This suggests their bodies are far better at self-repair than human bodies. So, while they are able to use the kironide, it might be dangerous for humans to do so, long term. There are also the excellent reasons provided by others: rarity, parity among citizens, the likeness to eugenics, and even the likeness to drug addiction.

So, probably, this secret is buried in the vaults at Starfleet, known only to them (and perhaps Section 31). The Platonians were a fairly degenerate civilization; it seems unlikely the Federation would be much interested in dealing with them.

However, should it be necessary to deal with "rogue Jedi", or "Dark Side Adepts", they could easily recreate this power.