EMH...Why stop there?

[Captain Zymmer]

What about the idea of using a counter photonic frequency that disrupts the holomatrix?

[Lt.Khrys Antos]

How about trying to access a ships computer to just delete the rogue holocrewmen? I like the idea of a counter photonic wave although would a deflector shields protect?

For personnel side equipment we could have a field disruptor which disrupts the fields which hold the holocrewmen together.

A hostile holocrewmen could do alot of damage to another biological being as in VOY when a holoprogram reached in and grapped Torres' heart. You could be standing on the other side of a door thinking your safe when BLAM! your hit in the head by a fist through the wall.

I believe that taking out the holoemitters throughout the ship should be of primordial importance, wearing EVA suits(no oxygen on their ships since they don't need it)-these suits should also protect against photonic material.

[Perrryyy]

Originally posted by Lt.Khrys Antos
How about trying to access a ships computer to just delete the rogue holocrewmen? I like the idea of a counter photonic wave although would a deflector shields protect?

For personnel side equipment we could have a field disruptor which disrupts the fields which hold the holocrewmen together.

A hostile holocrewmen could do alot of damage to another biological being as in VOY when a holoprogram reached in and grapped Torres' heart. You could be standing on the other side of a door thinking your safe when BLAM! your hit in the head by a fist through the wall.

I believe that taking out the holoemitters throughout the ship should be of primordial importance, wearing EVA suits(no oxygen on their ships since they don't need it)-these suits should also protect against photonic material.

I like this! You can put it in an atmosphere or setting where humans would be at a disadvantage... Enter the Emergency Programming Hologram! (See I knew we'd find a way to get that in!)

[Modem]

I don’t think Starfleet would ever get to the stage where everybody is replaced by Holos.

First; remember the ‘E’ in all Holos stands for ‘Emergency’, which means: non-permanent, temporary, only until the danger has passed. Voy’s EMH was an extreme circumstance: trapped 75yrs away from the nearest replacement medical staff, and the only fully qualified surgical technician on the ship (fortunate for them huh ). Reality says; even if the EMH created a ECH program, he would still be lower rank than the crew (even Harry Kim), and therefor only ‘Command’ in a advisory capacity.

Secondly; after Starfleet reviews Voy’s logs, do really think they’d repeat the Voy fiasco (and before someone says “which one”, let stick to ‘Holotech’ for the subject ). No, I think that Starfleet won’t be interested in making an entire ‘Holocrew’ or even an entire ‘Holoship’. I also think it would take centuries and milleniums for a ‘Holo’ to be allowed advance to Captaincy or higher (look at how Data’s career’s been going…if wasn’t for me making him an Admiral in my campaign, he’d still be walking around in yellow…’course my game set in the 25th Cent., so…)

Hmmm…do think ‘Holos’ could spark a debate like eugenics did…or worse; another war? Where would androids, bynars, and others-like stand?

As for stopping 'rouges', what was it was mentioned in "Elementry my dear Data", some kinda' particle (which they kyboshed 'cause it woulda' hurt Pulaski...dammmmb, fire, fire now...er, sorry rant for 'nother topic )

[Imagus]

Of course, Voyager's Doctor would be opposed to an all-holographic crew - he'd be out of a job...

Incidentally, I admit I wasn't paying attention, but what was all that business about holographic miners in the Doctor's novel episode? It made no sense to me!

[Michael Barratt]

Originally posted by Imagus
Of course, Voyager's Doctor would be opposed to an all-holographic crew - he'd be out of a job...

Incidentally, I admit I wasn't paying attention, but what was all that business about holographic miners in the Doctor's novel episode? It made no sense to me!

After the EMH Mark Ones were tested - and found lacking - their matrixes were reprogrammed to make them labour workers in mines and the like, where they use holoemitters to let them do their work. ouch. Hence Lewis Zimmerman's disgust with the Doctor when he downloaded himself to the Alpha Quadrant to help him out.

The Doc

[Imagus]

Originally posted by Michael Barratt
After the EMH Mark Ones were tested - and found lacking - their matrixes were reprogrammed to make them labour workers in mines and the like, where they use holoemitters to let them do their work. ouch. Hence Lewis Zimmerman's disgust with the Doctor when he downloaded himself to the Alpha Quadrant to help him out.

I had a horrible feeling it was something like that.

[RANT mode on]

That's the kind of sloppy thinking I really hate on the part of the Voyager writers ...

If you're going to reprogram them, why not upgrade them to the EMH 2 standard and use them for their original purpose?
Why not just recycle their storage space?
Why do you need something like an EMH at all? If you have emitters, you have a computer - ordinary holonovel character-level holograms would do. And they get you out of the slavery accusations...

[RANT mode off]

Sorry, sometimes you just feel the need...

[Lt.Khrys Antos]

I looked at that episode and while looking at it I realized that it didn't seem as if they were working very hard the ex-EMH mark I. They just kinda did nothing there, must'ave been unionized or something of the sort.

Their was a thread once on the rights of holographic "people", I don't remember how it ended, but I fervently opposed any admition of rights to sentience of any holographic crewman.
To me any accusations of slavery are totally useless, we create them, they serve us. We have children they do what the grown-ups tell them to do until they can take decisions for themselves, right?(We don't enslave our children)

Its true though that Starfleet considers them only as extras and their use is only for emergencies but what would happen if they managed to create a long term hologram which would be able to function for a considerable amount of time? This could lead to a considerably reduced medical staff. And alot of angry doctors out there.

This is why I despise any holographic crew, its a piece of technology just like any other; if a replicator were to start demanding better treatment I'd have to bash it until it stopped talking. So once it starts to replace the crew, that's were I would draw the line.

[Highway Hoss]

One Idea I saw for an EEH involved mounting the holomatrix in a self contained mobile tower (so it could function independent of ship's power and be moved where needed). Basically, it could be deployed where needed to conduct repairs in areas where the crew cannot get access to: high radiation areas, for example. Also, the hologram's size can be varied when necessary: the hologram can be shrunk down to work in confined spaces.
To me, this should illusrate the way I see holograms; like the ship, they should be instruments of the crew, NOT replacements.

[Captain Zymmer]

Mobile tower eh?

Independant power supply eh?

EX-TER-MIN-NATE!

EX-TER-MIN-NATE!

EX-TER-MIN-NATE!

Sorry, just had a thought how wrong that could go

[Lt.Khrys Antos]

Mobile towers-shrink crewmen?

*Shivers at the thought of midget holocrewmen*

That would actually make them useful if they could be deployed say; to fix the outer hull or when a warp core leak occurs and you can't dump the core.

[Aldaron]

Ugh...holographic crewpeople.

Meesa hates that!

My campaign isn't up to the VOY timeline yet (<i>Voyager</i> itself has only <i>just</i> disappeared), but when it gets there, if it gets there, that "EMHs now working the mines" simply won't be happening.

IMC, EMH Mk1s are around in newer ships (can't be retrofitted to older ships due to the need for bioneural computers to work), but that's as far as they go.

Oh, and they don't switch on sentient, either. VOY's The Doctor only got that way by being left switched on for a couple of years at a time, IIRC.

So there won't be any debate about sentient rights ala <i>The Measure of a Man</i>; Data was "born" sentient. He didn't just accidentally get that way. Holograms are, as someone pointed out, tools.

Personally, I <i>hate</i> the holotechnology stuff in Trek - they should have left it at borderline prototypical holodecks (that malfunction <i>waaaay</i> too often) rather than making it some kind of magical cureall.

Holographic lungs indeed!!

Rant over!

[Highway Hoss]

OK let face it, the way Starfleet is approaching holotech seems completely dumb. Wouldn't a more practical approach be to create holotools and holodrones controlled by crew to, for example, help conduct repairs in areas otherwise inaccessible. For doctors, instead of a clumsy EMH, why not holodisplays bringing up the relavant info for performing surgery and creating holoaids for the doc where needed? I'm sure we can think of more creative uses for holotech than humanoid holobots with surly demeanors...

[ghosty]

Originally posted by Highway Hoss
OK let face it, the way Starfleet is approaching holotech seems completely dumb. Wouldn't a more practical approach be to create holotools and holodrones controlled by crew to, for example, help conduct repairs in areas otherwise inaccessible. For doctors, instead of a clumsy EMH, why not holodisplays bringing up the relavant info for performing surgery and creating holoaids for the doc where needed? I'm sure we can think of more creative uses for holotech than humanoid holobots with surly demeanors...

Your idea pre-supposes that there will be a crewman to use the holotools. The EMH was designed to temporarily replace medical personnel who have been killed or wounded or to lead a hand in a mass casualty situation.

[Captain Zymmer]

I think the entire holocrew idea to be insane the EMH is a truely bizare idea.

But it is canon and I try to work within the confines of canon

The holotools is a neat idea, but then my main question is, how did they craete solid light holograms? Didn't the first round of EMH have no ability to grab real world things?