Ferengi in Enterprise?

[Captain Zymmer]

http://www.trektoday.com/news/190102_04.shtml

Man o man they seem to have real problems sticking to continuity now.

Sheesh...

Oh well...maybe someday Riker will wake up in the shower and Enterprise will be all just a dream.

[StyroFoam Man]

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[Highway Hoss]

The more I see of Enterprise, I more I think that the NX-01's dedication plaque has this quote: "Continuity?! We don't need no steenkin' continuity!!!

[Phoenix]

Lets see...Northern Hemmie + toilet + hopes for a good Trek show = yep counter-clock-wise it is...the more I see the less I like (though a few nifty things have crept out...very few).

Oh well.

[REG]

This has better be wrong.

But if this is true then the Ferengi character should avoid all contact with any member of the Enterprise crew.

Couldn't they just make him as a different alien? Tellarite, perhaps? I mean the actor is short and his nose (without makeup) is a perfect snout.

[Dan Stack]

I don't quite get why they want to bring in the Ferenig...

I know this wasn't on their minds, but one thing that always confused me... TNG season 1 made a big deal about 1st contact with the Ferengi. But DS9 had Cardassia, Ferenginar, and Bajor all close together. It just doesn't seem possible the Federation could have missed the Ferengi, given how omnipresent they seem to have been. One almost things the Federation closed their eyes every time they saw a Ferengi vessel. "HELP!!!! It's a <gasp> CAPITALIST" <insert fainting>

Ahh, that explains it. Archer can meet the Ferengi since he is closer to our time and better able to handle their capitalism. But by the 24th century, the Federation went through a bit of a PC phase and deleted all references to the Ferengi, for the good of all Federation citizens (and to prevent them from fainting when they read history books...)

[qerlin]

Originally posted by Dan Stack
I don't quite get why they want to bring in the Ferenig...

I know this wasn't on their minds, but one thing that always confused me... TNG season 1 made a big deal about 1st contact with the Ferengi. But DS9 had Cardassia, Ferenginar, and Bajor all close together. It just doesn't seem possible the Federation could have missed the Ferengi, given how omnipresent they seem to have been. One almost things the Federation closed their eyes every time they saw a Ferengi vessel. "HELP!!!! It's a <gasp> CAPITALIST" <insert fainting>

Ahh, that explains it. Archer can meet the Ferengi since he is closer to our time and better able to handle their capitalism. But by the 24th century, the Federation went through a bit of a PC phase and deleted all references to the Ferengi, for the good of all Federation citizens (and to prevent them from fainting when they read history books...)

Actually, Dan...that makes a lot of sense to me. Then again, I see the whole utopian socialist/communist element in a much darker light than most.

As for continuity, that's why I see this as a remake of TOS. Not that Trek was particularly great on continuity in the first place.

[ghosty]

I have long resigned myself to thinking that Enterprise is an alternate universe with no connection to mainstream Trek otherwise I'll nitpick myself to death.

[Hugh Casey]

Perhaps there was no "official" contact with the Ferengi before TNG's first season, but who's to say that there wasn't contact on an individual level, or perhaps it wasn't recorded. As an example, the first European contact with the Americas was made by the Norse over 500 years before Columbus (Leif Erikson was the first known landing, but it had been sighted years before, and Leif was just responding to the earlier reports). Yet the rest of Europe had no clue as to it's existence. Why? BECAUSE THE NORSE NEVER TOLD ANYONE, AND THE RECORDS WERE LOST BEFORE NEWS GOT OUT! Everyone who knew about it died without telling anyone outside of the Norse culture. ( An oversimplification, but fairly accurate IMO)

Perhaps the same thing with the Ferengi? (individual contacts, but no official exchange of diplomats, so to the gov't they exist as a "rumor")

Any responses?

Hugh

[Cochrane]

Yeah, it's dumb. But Braxton must've given the Ferengi, Nausicaans, Denobulans, and Vulcans technological boosts.

I wish they'd stick with continuity, but I enjoy it even though they don't.

[Modem]

That’s a find idea there Hugh, just one thing though: They’re (supposedly) scientists, on a scouting mission, which means: Note Taking, NOTE Taking, and (You got it) NOTE TAKING. And further more: Transmitting and communication (in other words: even if the ship’s destroyed [oh, God willing…], information on what’s been encountered, seen, tested, etc…get sent back to ‘point of origin’. The ‘misinformation’/‘no information’ scenario doesn’t really wash well…)

Personally, am I glad I never have watched this flotsam…between:
The ‘Klingon Incident’ (Picard explained how a misunderstanding led to “years of bloody conflict.”…where? what misunderstanding? And above else, where’s/when’s the bloody carnage, and can Archer by at point blank range when it happen?)
The ‘tech-issue (they’re talking about ‘Holo-tech’ years before they should [let alone ‘need’], Phase[r] pistols, Phase[r] Cannons…where it going to end?)’
Now this…didn’t Picard say something about the Ferengi not being encountered until within the last ten to twenty years (from TNG first season)?

Oh Dan, the reason why the Ferengi were trumped-up so much was: they were suppose to be the new ‘Heavies’ in the galaxy…until they were first seen. Hands up: who didn’t nearly piss themselves laughing when Data lifted one up with one arm…while it kicking and yelling like a kindergartner.

You the worst of it?: People that have never watch Trek before now, thinking “so that’s how it started”…no, No, NO; that’s not “how it started”. B&B just want you to think that way, without explaining the ramifications/damages to other shows (same fan later: why does Kirk’s Enterprise look so crappy compared to Archer’s…and why isn’t Picard’s more advance? I mean, really, we’ve done the Holo-thing…)

No, all in all, I hope this goes away sooner rather than later…

[Admiral Wolf]

The thing that urk's me about all this B&B crapola, is that there are a lot of other tails they could be telling about the "first Ent" and the "pre UFP" days.

There's no real need to be screwing up the "known" ST time lines by pulling in familure races from the "future series".

I'll bet Tellarite's would have worked just as well or prob or better then Feringi and the fans would have liked the episode far more.

B&B seem to have this inexplicable need to use characters from "Their" ST series (TNG,DS9) which is really starting to ruin what otherwise is really a good Trek series IMHO.

I guess at this rate, we can expect to have the "real" first contact with the Borg somewhere around 2257

[Caretaker]

Over at Psi Phi's Star Trek Books BBS, Star Trek: Communicatior magazine's Kevin Dilmore states:

Re: Enterprise's Ferengi show ...

If what I hear comes to pass, this is gonna be fun.

Y'all be cool

I then asked:

So, Kevin, I presume from your comments that you're privy to some information.
Can you at least reassure us that what they're doing isn't a violation of continuity and what was established on Star Trek: The Next Generation?

His response?

Yes and yes.

[Hugh Casey]

To quote a certain TOS character...

"Facinating"

Wonder how they are going to introduce a Ferengi and not violate continuity?



Hugh

[Caretaker]

Just have faith. And we'll see how they handle it come whenever the episode airs.