Fan Consensus Map Is Back!

[Cochrane]

Anything that works better than anything else works for me.

I think you can figure out the LUGTOS map. It shows the galactic arms, I'd use that as the primary thing. You can use the distances of the real stars to figure out the fake ones near them. Maybe a distance on the map represents steadily more as you go out from Earth.

[SIR SIG]

Yeah but they put Gorn space way out to buggery!
What I'm hoping to do is a lot closer then that!

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[SIR SIG]

I'd never really looked at the galaxy arms before.
Whats the rough distance between arms?
100 ly
500 ly
1000 ly

???

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[Cochrane]

It appears that the bulk of each arm is within a 5000 light year thickness and that the space between the arms is about the same.
The Federation fits rather conveniently between our two neighboring arms. The LUGTOS Map places us at the center of the Orion Arm, yet page 182 says we're between Orion and Sagittarius. I think real science says we're on the inner edge of Orion.

I picked up a book a while back, called Norton's Star Atlas And Reference Handbook Nineteenth Edition edited by Ian Ridpath. It's got the standard maps of each hemisphere of the sky, 16 maps of the poles and wedges each cut in half, and a two-piece map with the galaxy running across the center. This last one can help you easily see which stars are in each galactic direction and which would be in each of 001's neighboring sectors. Use the others in conjunction with it for more detail. It also has text about our planets, a text chart of the Local Group of galaxies, and a bunch of other stuff. It's very good for those not as interested in observing for themselves. It's about 180 pages and cost me about 40 american dollars.

[SIR SIG]

Originally posted by Cochrane:
It appears that the bulk of each arm is within a 5000 light year thickness and that the space between the arms is about the same.
The Federation fits rather conveniently between our two neighboring arms. The LUGTOS Map places us at the center of the Orion Arm, yet page 182 says we're between Orion and Sagittarius. I think real science says we're on the inner edge of Orion.

I picked up a book a while back, called Norton's Star Atlas And Reference Handbook Nineteenth Edition edited by Ian Ridpath. It's got the standard maps of each hemisphere of the sky, 16 maps of the poles and wedges each cut in half, and a two-piece map with the galaxy running across the center. This last one can help you easily see which stars are in each galactic direction and which would be in each of 001's neighboring sectors. Use the others in conjunction with it for more detail. It also has text about our planets, a text chart of the Local Group of galaxies, and a bunch of other stuff. It's very good for those not as interested in observing for themselves. It's about 180 pages and cost me about 40 american dollars.

Don't suppose you'd like to scan some 'choice' maps?

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[Cochrane]

you suppose correctly. Do you have good public libraries where you are? If the book is available in stores there, I don't know, maybe you could use money you'd otherwise use on Role Playing stuff or something. I think actually I could find useful stuff online, and maybe you could calculate the directions from other maps. A sky globe would be handy. Maybe a cheap inflatable one.

[SIR SIG]

Are well it was worth a try!

I've been scouring my local libraries (I even work in the main HQ branch of the region) for astronomical books since I first got into astronomy when I was 'knee high to a grasshopper'.

The only good stuff I find is what I bye, sadly funds aren't what they used to be!

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[SIR SIG]

Well with some chatting on the Chi factor, it seems 129.2 is becoming the favorite and thus Deneb can still work fine iut at 3227 ly.
Although in TOS times they would have had it at 1500 odd ly.

With a good Chi factor we can also go with a large fed ie 8000 ly from the 2 furthest points. (Thus using the rough 'canon' maps available as a basis.)

But then how far out are the major powers?

If Klingon space is just beyond Rigel, then there about 900-1000 ly from Sol.

If Romulus is 128 Trianguli (rough dist is around 300 ly)then the Romulan War still works well with a Chi factor and low end warp.

Cardassia/Bajor ? Maybe they are 1000 ly from Sol???

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[Cochrane]

128 Trianguli is Romulus from Diane Duane's books, right? Is that even in the right general direction? I suppose it could be in either just plain Triangulus or Triangulus Australis, is there even a Trianguli star designated in reality as 128? Are you sticking with the canon orientation of the Star Empire mostly between core and trail? I suppose if there is no real 128 Trianguli it doesn't have to be in one of the two real Trianguli constellations.

Any idea how far the Tholians, Gorn, or Sheliak are? Betazed I guess is roughly between here and Bajor sector, or at least not much farther. I think Trill should be somewhere around there too. how about Bolarus? I suppose the Breen are fairly close to the Cardassians, as are the Ferengi. Maybe all the starbases in the TOS and DS9 core books should be pinned down, as well as the homeworlds of the NPC races detailed in all the published core books, for example the Lurians and Medusans. I guess the Gamma Quadrant races wouldn't be necessary. But now that I think of it, just how much space does the Dominion control? How about the Borg or Taurhai? Where might the Hur'q lurk?

[SIR SIG]

It would be nice to use 128 Trianguli as Romulus, but so far I haven't found any 'real' stellar data on it!
The cordinates I had seen were fan-IFOS and thus may not be accurate.
If anyone has seen this star (128 Trianguli) or a stellar catalog that has it in then please let me know!

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SIR SIG a Aussie TREK Narrator

[morrigan]

For anyone interested, I am currently working on a Trek stellar cartography project using the freeware application It's Full of Stars. This app allows you to plot star systems in 3D and build solar systems, trade routes, stations, etc. It can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...sweb/index.htm

and my Trek Universe file is at http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/skye/Trek1.str

The file contains real star data liberally mixed with my own interpretations of Trek lore. Take note I am going with the small Federation model and have placed the Cardassians, Klingons and Romulans all zenith and either spinward or trailing to the UFP. The UFP is mainly located around the 0,0 or below on the z-axis.

I'd be interested in feedback.

Ciao,
scott Agnew

[Karg]

Scott, this is great.
Only problem is it is a bit unweidly to use and input in the program. Is there a place where we can download the map file, zipped or not?

Thanks in advance, Karg

[Dave]

Scott,

I am having trouble getting the file as well. I like the IFOS program a great deal, however, my trek map was based on the large federation model and ended up being too big. Your map sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see it!

[This message has been edited by Dave (edited 02-13-2001).]

[morrigan]

Sorry for the confusion. I've zipped up the map file now and it can be downloaded via this link:
http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/skye/Trek1.zip

Keep in mind it is still a work in progress. I have most of the major powers placed and some of the other important worlds (i.e. Betazed, Bolarus, Andoria, etc)but there is still much to be inputted. Also, I would love to figure out a way to include things such as nebulae in IFOS. Anyone know if this is possible?

Scott Agnew

[Karg]

Thank you very much Scott, I'm goning to check it out now. I dont think nebula are possible. try puting an object into the map as the center and in the description describe it as a nebula

Karg


[This message has been edited by Karg (edited 02-14-2001).]