Borders of the federation

[Palstra]

I am currently running a campaig on the borders of the federation, near the tholians.
But i'm interested in where exactly all borders are, i mean the klingon, romulan to tholian orion and flaxian. Could anyone help me please?

[SIR SIG]

Hmmm. You could be opening a can of worms here. Do you just want directions or over all sizes in light years?

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[Mad Cow]

God, please, don't get HIM started again!

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"Must somebody need killin' somewhere?" - Commander Benson Winiford Payne, two days after end of Dominion War and having been informed of the disbandment of 373rd RRT

[SIR SIG]

Originally posted by Mad Cow:
God, please, don't get HIM started again!

The MapMaker is in the House

Seriously though what stats?

Aswell see very post/threads about Fan Consensus Maps or FCM in the Narrators section.

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[Dave]

Originally posted by Mad Cow:
God, please, don't get HIM started again!

hahaha!!!

[Arithon]

Originally posted by Palstra:
I am currently running a campaig on the borders of the federation, near the tholians.
But i'm interested in where exactly all borders are, i mean the klingon, romulan to tholian orion and flaxian. Could anyone help me please?

Sure go to http://trekrpg.net/trek/core/galaxy1.gif

that might give you a glactic overview that's current with LUG

[Cochrane]

I place my Perseus Federation about 500 light years nadir of the tholians, and the Laald to spinward. the Romulans basically span Earth's sky from coreward to trailing, and the Klingons from there at least halfway to rimward. The Romulan border is probably about 100 light years from Earth, the Klingons beyond Rigel. Which brings me to the Orions. They don't have their own interstellar territory.They hang out within Fed space, around Rigel, Betelgeuse, Saif, the Orion Nebula, and elsewhere in the constellation. The Tholians may or may not share a border with the Klingons, but I'd say they're directly rimward in the Perseus arm. My best guess for the Flaxians would be somewhere between the Tholians and the Gorn.

[SIR SIG]

Indeed!

Although never though of the Orions hanging out in all of the orion constellation.
Good call Cochrane!

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[Cochrane]

well, I believe my info originally came from the TOS core book.

[verbena76]

Ok, I have a simpler picture of the Trek galaxy, mainly because all that coreward/spinward crap makes my head hurt.
Anyway, picture the UFP like a clock. You're looking down at the clock. I've pictured the Romulan border from roughly 11 to 2, the Klingon borders from 2 to 5ish, the Tholians and the Gorn roughly occupiying "bubbles" at 3 and 5 respectively. The Cardassians are from 5 to 7. 7 to 11 is unexplored at the moment, although I suspect the Tzenkethi are in there somewhere. The Breen are the rub-in the LUG game, they were placed roughly 10 to 11, and abutted Romulan space, but that doesn't seem to fit what DS9 has told us about them. The Klingons sent an invasion fleet against them, I find it hard to believe they crossed UFP/Romulan territory to do it. On the other hand, that could be why the fleet never returned. Personally, I put the Breen somewhere around 8.
Hope this makes sense and helps.

[Cochrane]

We've got this theory on another thread. Most of the Federation's rival empires draw nearer to eachother toward galactic north, or nadir (up in the third direction). For what its worth, I see the Cardies at 9 to 10 o'clock.

[verbena76]

Cochrane, at least you understand what I'm saying. Most friends of mine look at me like I'm on crack.
Yeah, I think I saw the huge post about the borders a few weeks ago. Like I said, that core/rim/spin ward crap drives me nuts.

[SIR SIG]

Possibly the only change I would make, is push the Craddies later to around 9-10ish.

And nadir is where everyone meets up.

And those big threads are probably because of me!

Maawaahaaa!

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[verbena76]

Great. Then you owe me a bottle of aspirin.
I'm curious-you're the second one who's put the Cardies at 9 to 10. Why is that?
I based my info off the map in the DS9 Technical companion, with a little embellishments from memory from references from the show. Admittedly, I forgot the Ferengi (mainly becuase I've never pictured them as having a large "alliance" and I don't care for them anyways) but I'd have put them in a bubble around 7ish next to the Cardassians.
Anyway, that's my two cents.

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[Phantom]

The political map fo the various races in this thread has bothered me for sometime now. Was it done before the Way of D'era set was released? Because using it, the Romulan set, as canon it states that the Romulan Star Empire spans both the Alpha And Beta quadrants. Also, it shows the the Federation as being much larger than the Romulan Empire. How can this be since the Romulan Empire has been conquering and expanding, almost constantly, for at least the last 1700 years, as listed in the Way of D'era, and the Federation was incorporated in only the last 193 years?! Assuming 2374 as current date.