What dou you think of the ST:Nemesis Trailer?

[C5]

This trailer was interesting... but then again that's the first ST movie trailer I see
I watched the TOS movies on tape while I hadn't seen any TOS episode (hence missing a lot of the interest, especially for ST2). Insurrection is the only movie I watched in a theatre... and I knew little more about the movie than I had read in the synopsis.
Now I have the script of Nemesis on my hardrive (only partly read), I've seen and read interviews about it and now watched the trailer... and actually I think now that I prefer to watch a movie without knowing anything about it
Beside, Nemesis can't be bad since it's an even numbered movie (although it's also the double of 5... ) !

But cool trailer anyway... is it me, or has the ENT-E model been improved ?

[qerlin]

Well, looks like there's plenty of action. Not really looking forward to this one.

[Sawyer II]

Originally posted by C5
... is it me, or has the ENT-E model been improved ?

It looks CGI, instead of a filmed model.

[C5]

Originally posted by Sawyer II
It looks CGI, instead of a filmed model.

I thought it had always been a CGI (with the one of the trailer being more detailed) ?

[Sawyer II]

Originally posted by C5
I thought it had always been a CGI (with the one of the trailer being more detailed) ?

Was Ent-D the last filmed model? Which did they use for Generations - model or cgi?

[KillerWhale]

First Contact was model. They switched to CGI in Insurrection.

[Greg Smith]

Originally posted by Sawyer II


Was Ent-D the last filmed model? Which did they use for Generations - model or cgi?

Both. Examples: the B in the Nexus was CGI. The D escaping the shockwave was CGI. The saucer crashing was a model.

[Capt Daniel Hunter]

Originally posted by Dan Gurden

So by that measure, they need to do the same, either Kivas Fajo or Sela. Dammit. I want Sela!!!

Sela would have been good, and would have fitted perfectly into this movie's plot. Though I'm not really convinced Denise Crosby is up to playing a really good villian. But the character would certainly have had resonance with the audience.

Saul Rubinek, who played Kivas Fajo, would be though. But I don't think the audience would be as invested in his character, and I don't think Fajo would really work as a 'big' villian.

[General Velal]

Hi all,
I ranted in the Romulans thread on Romulans and Nemesis.I will rant here as well
I understand peoples hesistation as frankly the next gen era films, barring First Contact have been confusing flops.

Before I go futher I will throw my views on the films out there to be judged, savaged, etc.

ST 1: Way Overated, with the main defence for its flaws being its the first film and the time it was made in. Great SCIENCE Fiction film with classic crew.

ST2: Great film, tying back to space seed, attempt at introduction of Kirk's family life. Full of tension and climatic confrontation between two ideals, two powerful individuals and two ships.

ST3: Confusing at times, beginning of big Screen popular antagonist race:Klingons, better like them because you will wait until 8 before they fully go away. Spock/different Saavik stuff interesting.

ST4: Fun film, with nice conservation message. No Klingons to be fair.

ST5: What the? Sybok? Center of Universe-God? -Bad Story badly directed.Face it Shatner, stick to ACTING, not directing, not name on book covers-not Tekwar TV series. ACTING.

ST6: Fantastic, tension throughout, humour in the right place and right amounts-good interplay-Valeris was a good character wasted-Could she be still in the New Zealand Prison Island in the next gen/DS 9 era? Decent Klingon politics-more insight into them as a race-finally one of the original core races gets good treatment.

ST7: I want my money back! A film that sets up an FX Dilemma-"The Nexus" -has a blah protaginist Soren, go out of his way to fire a missile that theatens a planet full of people we never see, which is all undone by the very fact the solution to his dilemma-"get into the nexus" is shown to us in the first five minutes of the film, by Kirk and others. This braniac "Al whoopian" who lives for this thing has not realised that people crash into the nexus and live happy la la lives.

Then to top of this insulting pile of waste, comes the Duras Sisters, good antagonoists established in the series with potential to go thoughout DS9, reduced to silly idiots flying around in some obsolete scout ship-attacking the Flagship of the Federation thanks to Geordi's Visor and Worf dropping the ball again as security officer-God damn what a plan! Its so dumb it wont work-Tasha come back! Q bring her Back!

The DURAS sisters, once split the Klingon Empire in half, were defeating Gowron had Romulan support-flying around in that? Times are tough you might say-My ass-They would have left in a cruiser......God How dumb, what a waste! So this film says by 80 years time the Klingon race has slid down hill, compared to ST6.

The Fabled Kirk/Picard encounter-artifically inserted in by execs to get the old classic fans to watch next gen......Nimoy backed away from this turkey-hint Execs-let good writers write-let bad storys die.

KIRKS DEATH? Huh...wha...The legendary captain of 3 TV seasons, 7 films gets to die on a dustbowl under some rubble fighting a never fully explained misguided supergenius who cant just fly his ship into the La La cloud. Oh yeah the ENT-D bit it.

I want my time and money back.

ST8: Good Film, Borg were very menacing, Great Picard moments.
Enterprise E good. once again Action, a good story-some good interplay-and some more revelation about some estalbished races in trek, Borg and in a minor way Vulcans.

ST9: Again pull a planet out of the blue, pull a race out of the blue and hope to hell Data hamming it up will smooth it over-the frustrating ignorance of DS9, having the federations premier flagship (Now a dedicated warship) shuttling ommpa loompas from planet to planet-while fed ships get gutted by the dominion, earth threatened-ho de hum-we can go to the planet of the new age retirement village-discover middle age ladies can freeze things and save cgi chipmunks in trees.

Oh not to mention the feds now have personel cloaking stealth suits "for cultural observation only" That would help say in their life or death struggle with the dominion whose soldiers shroud!
Oops sorry! Stretchy skin villians with massive warships without a planet that dwarf the other established warrior race's best ships are on the loose. Ok I'm sorry bring back the Klingons.......

ST10, Yet everyone is bagging Nemesis-sure we are twice bitten, twice shy, but hold on, most of us sat through these poop fests-yet now we are to good for it-A film that FINALLY gives the Romulans some attention, a core race -Yes we have a never seen before slave race serving the romulans-Shock! Yet, we buy the never heard of Nexus/Stetchy skin people?

Yes it has action, yes it has space combat-now its a exact copy of Wrath of Khan? Why stop there-Wrath of Kkhan was a merging and copy of Space Seed and Balance of Terror. I mean who chooses whats an original? I'm sorry but there is such a backlash against the teaser trailer-its scary. I have read the script-IF it is the final REAL script-if so it once again has some hammy Data comedy-yea its bad-so what...

Give it a go.

[REG]

It's okay. I personally think the trailer gave away too much of the movie. They could have kept the face of the "nemesis" hidden or partly hidden.

[Weyoun11]

I agree with Erik on many of his insights about this topic. Just because B&B tell you its gonna be good proves nothing. Where's this "Khan like" villain in the trailer? What the actor in the Romulan senate that doesn't have the ears by the looks of him and has a rather cliche sounding Transylvania accent? "At last the mighty Federation will fall before us," might as well be like "at last we come to suck your blood". Rolleyes and please tell me this is a FAKE trailer. "Don't fear?" it says in the trailer? I dunno bout that. Star Trek is infamous for recycling the same actors and when that gets old I suppose the studio can do the inverse of a mirror universe routine by having your lead actors cloned into baddies? Bah! They should have done that one in First Contact, Locutus!

The impression I got from the trailer is it seems like another Insurrection; "uknown" planet, prewarp civilization, NEW baddies, new ugly looking ships, Data and Picard out joy riding in shuttlecraft, Troi kissing....sigh. Sound familiar? Same b.s. maybe? We hardly saw any Romulans except maybe what two briefly? Where's the massive space battle thats supposed to blow our socks off? So far nothing in the trailer indicated anything that remotely looked like the First Contact battle. So I give it a five or six which may change and perhaps not for the better as we know more asides from rumours and "teaser trailers".

[Tarbas]

9 out of 10

by the way
the quality of the trailer doesn't matter

A Trek movie with Picard, Data, The Romulans can't be that bad

[SIR SIG]

I gave it a 9!

Although the Scimitar doesn't look very Romulan other then the cloak.

To me it looks more like a cross between S'ona and Dominion tech maybe with a splash or Breen. Totaly not birdlike or smooth swept designs like other Romulan ships. Perhaps influenced by Reman tech/design philosophy?

On the plus side there a 2 maps of the RNZ which show a few details!

As Dan said, yet another shuttle type and this one carries a vehicle!!!

[General Velal]

Hi Sir Sig

Originally posted by SIR SIG
I gave it a 9!

Although the Scimitar doesn't look very Romulan other then the cloak.

To me it looks more like a cross between S'ona and Dominion tech maybe with a splash or Breen. Totaly not birdlike or smooth swept designs like other Romulan ships. Perhaps influenced by Reman tech/design philosophy?


On the plus side there a 2 maps of the RNZ which show a few details!


As Dan said, yet another shuttle type and this one carries a vehicle!!!

Yes from I saw of the high res stills taken from the teaser, The Scimitar looks very alien from the established Romulan ship designs. Its frustrating, given these Remans have lived for under Romulan rule for a possible 2000 years-you would think the influence would be more pronounced.

I hope not Breen influence-given the established antagonisism between Romulans and Breen.

Where are the 2 maps?

[Erik Filean]

A lack of Romulan ship design influence is less irritating to me than the implication that either the Romulans allow their subjects to build battleships or the Remans were able to build one in secret without attracting any attention whatsoever from the Tal Shiar or the Romulan fleet.