Sona in Dominion War

[calguard66]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mactavish:
Despite the discontinuity with Worf, I'm still convinced that Insurrection is set shortly after the conclusion of the Dominion War.

The comment made in the film is that they are tired of being kept from their exploratory duties and having to "put out brush fires" in the post-war chaos.

mactavish out.</font>

I agree that Insurrection must have been shortly after the war, because why would you have a huge warship ship like the Soveriegn-class pulling diplomatic duty, when there's a war on?

------------------
"I'd rather die standing than live on my knees..."
Shania Twain

[John Raynor]

Does anyone else think it's strange that the
Son'a know how to make ketracel white?

Look at how important ketracel white is to
the political stability of the Dominion.
The loyalty of the Jem'hadar to the founders
rests upon (a) genetic programming, and (b)
ketracel white. If the Son'a know how to
make ketracel white, then they've got one of
the two keys to controlling the Jem'hadar!

Is there any reason to believe that the
Founders *gave* the Son'a the formula for
ketracel white? I'd say the Founders would
guard *that* secret *very* closely indeed,
and would do just about *anything* to keep
it from spreading. The thought of the
Founders willingly telling the Son'a how to
make ketracel white, just because they (the
Son'a) can produce large quantities of it
inexpensively, strikes me as *highly*
implausible.

If the Son'a cracked the *other* key to
controlling the Jem'Hadar (their genetic
programming), things could get very ugly for
the Founders *and* the Federation...

[Captain Blake]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by calguard66:
I agree that Insurrection must have been shortly after the war, because why would you have a huge warship ship like the Soveriegn-class pulling diplomatic duty, when there's a war on?

</font>

Um, because Captain Jean-Luc "I surrender" Picard and William "Let's not use the Guns because I want to steer with the joystick and blow things up with gas to get my name on a cool maneuver." Riker were in charge of the ship.

If you're pretty sure that you can't win anyways and that one ship won't make much difference either way, and by getting allies you might be able to win the war, you do what it takes to get the ally. If that means sending the Big E on a diplomatic mission to convince the potential allies that "Hey, things aren't so bad. Be our Friend. Now, could you manufacture some Quantum torpedoes for us?"

Unfortunatly, evidence inside Insurrection could go either way, during or after the war.

I personally feel that based on the "We can't give up our principals just to win the war" comments that Picard makes to the Admiral, that the war is still on.

Alex

[Weyoun11]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lt.Khrys Antos:
As I understand the canon timeline, Insurrection occurs during the war. If 2374 is roughly the date of first contact then we can assume that they started negotiating right after they met them. I think the admiral in the movie at one point says to Picard that they need allies badly against the Dominion. Wasn't that what the movie was about, that a shady species was being allowed into the federation without proper investigations into their affairs.
As for how powerful Son'a ships are: I imagine trading in illegal weapons and ketracel white would make anyone filthy rich. Anyone for quarters made for kings and latinum plated floors? Selling goods during the war at 5 times the price would probably make you rich enough to modify you ship. Although you could have a ship which is significantly weaker(may have failed a couple of pirate raids).
I'd say the Son'a are more like Ferengi, although they have more pride in themselves. Ferengi ships vary greatly depending on the fortunes of their commander.
Well in the end its up to the individual narrator, in mine the Son'a and Ferengi are almost the same except they have more principles are nastier to deal with.
</font>

I agree with you except the Admiral did not
specifically say that they needed the S'ona
as an ally against anyone but the implication was there when Picard mumbled to the others in the turbolift that "with our ship losses to the Borg and the Dominion, Starfleet feels we need all the help we can get" or to that extent. So that's one Dominion reference right there and they need allies. Two, Riker mentions that the Ent-E and her valiant crew are out delivering olive branches because "the diplomatic core is busy with Dominion negotiations" and Picard laments "and they need us to put out another brush fire" or something like that. Since you don't negotiate with a foreign empire who surrendered to you and went back into the Gamma Quadrant this could not have occurred post-war (late 2375/early 2376-). Two shows from DS9 imply that the Federation had sent out "peace-feelers" as Vreenak termed it, "Statistical Probabilities" and "In The Pale Moonlight" all which occurred in 2374. Obviously with the recapture of DS9 the Federation/Klingon alliance was still desperate until the Romulans join in. The third time the Dominion is mentioned specifically in the movie is when Ru'Afo says the Federation has been challenged by every major power in the quadrant namely by the Borg, Cardassia and the Dominion in the last 24 months and they "all smell the scent of death on the Federation". We know the Borg attack occurred in Nov.2373 according to the Stardate interpretation and "Call To Arms" happens in the following month. Lets not forget though that the Klingons had challenged the Federation a year before (2372) that and even though Ru'Afo didn't mention them they fit under the major power category. In DS9s "Penumbra" episode circa 2375 Weyoun tells Damar to redeploy their forces chasing the Defiant to defend "the S'ona outpost on Deyos II" which had come under Federation attack.

[Evan van Eyk]

In the novel for insurrection it is said that the war still rages on, that's why the Federation seeks all allies it can get ( this small race at the beginning of ST IX ), although they might not be ready. It is definitly in the War, because somewhere it is said that the Federation will probably destroyed by the Dominion ( think it was the admiral who said this ). Additionally it is said that ST IX is set two years after First Contact, i.e 2375, wo its within the Dominion War.

------------------
"I am a great one for rushing in where angels fear to tread." - Cpt. Kirk, Star Trek VI


www.farrealms.de

[Lt.Khrys Antos]

Thinking about why a Sovereign-Class would be held from the front lines...I'd agree with Blake that its to show potential allies that things are looking up. Couldnt it also be because it might be only one of two? Their commissioning date is 2370, so how many can the shipyards dish out during the war, considering Starfleet put a rush order for the smaller and more heavily armed ships?

Also, since it is a flagship, its perfectly suited to raise moral in the core worlds, no one wants to risk the finest ship in the fleet. If the Dominion had an opportunity they'd most likely concentrate on it, wanting to destroy the flagship of a fleet is common ploy.

The Ketracel-White issue is interesting, the Son'as ability to make it seems powerful yet they are not a military super power. While individual ships may be strong they lack an infrastructure to produce a constant amount. Building cloning facilities would also require a large amount of resources. Now if your a raider/pirate/all-round evil guy, you probably ain't going to bother with creating Jem'Heddar soldiers and pissing off the Founders.

You do bring up a good point though...maybe they are a gamma species, don't see why the Founders didn't try to eliminate them if they knew the secrets to the white.