Alternate Reality: Dominion Victory

[Greg Davis]

You know, to wander off topic slightly for a moment, a possible cool campaign idea that could tie into the whole Dominion War would be a Titan A.E. sort of campaign, with the Dominion as the enemy, and with them having literally destroyed Earth...then along come the PC's, determined to right the wrongs committed by the Dominion.

Heck, you could even expand that into the destruction or near destruction of a variety of major Federation worlds, particularly core worlds.

Then you could paraphrase the classic Picard line, "They take our territory, and we fall back...They obliterate entire worlds, and we fall back. Never again! The line must be drawn here! This far...no further! And we, the Player Characters, shall make the Dominion pay for what they've done!"

Anyway, it sounds cool to me...but your opinions may, and probably will, vary!

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Cry woe, destruction, ruin and decay.

The worst is Death...

Death shall have his day.

[Robbert Raets]

>I'd love to see a Star-Trek take on lightsabers.

Actually, in the First Line there is a sort of 'phaser energy knife'.
I just had to laugh when I first saw that.

Furthermore, aboot (sorry, I'm not over the South Park movie yet) the Dominion/Borg war, an assimilated Founder would be an awesome enemy.
-Robbert shudders at the thought-
Damn, I always manage to scare myself.

By the way, did the Jem'Hadar destroy the USS Odessey before or after Voyager left?

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Your past does not excuse unethical or immoral behavior, sir.
- Data, to Kivas Fajo, the most toys

[Owen E Oulton]

After. The Odyssey was destroyed at the end of DS9's season 3, while Voyager disappeared about mid-season 4.

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[Robbert Raets]

Tanks Admiral. Would you also happen to know what Capt. Janeways previous command was?

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'I can still see your... nipulary area...'
Chandler, to Rachel wearing nothing but a thin towel.

[Flamestrike]

Actually, if my memory serves correctly, The Voyager is Janeway's first command. Perhaps that's why she's doing such a poor job...


Back on the subject, though, I can't see the Romulans siding with the Dominion. D'era wouldn't have nice things to say about that. helping arm the Resistance I could see, though.

[Re'k]

As far as canon goes, the only ship we know Janeway to have commanded is Voyager. The only other ship we know she served on is the Al-Batani, as a science officer.

Or so says startrek.com...
--Re'k

[arndog]

Having just gotten the Dominion War Sourcebook, I have some ideas on possible results of Dominion victory, regardless of how it happens.
1) the Klingons will probably be the first to be wiped out. They're just too stubborn to be conquered.
2) the Romulans will withdraw from everybody. Remember what happened after the Earth/Romulan war.
3) UFP/Starfleet will probably get it's rear waxed, unless...
the USS Voyager can convince the Borg to ally with itself versus the Dominion. Someone mentioned earlier about the Borg assimilating a Founder. In my mind, this can't be done. The Founders biology is too fluid for even nanites to affect it. However, beware the assimilated Jem'Hadar! This is just an idea I had to make the Borg friendlier. Also, it makes the war last a long time, because the Founders can't be assimilated, but the Jem'Hadar are their main troops.
BTW, the Dominion War Sourcebook rules!

[Dan Gurden]

Im not sure the Borg would ally itself with the Federation anyway.

Species 8472 was one thing, they were kicking borg arse accross the quadrant, thus neccesity forced an adaption to their modus operandi, which is the borg way.

But the Borg would see the Dominion as a target, not a threat. Like you say, the Jem'Hadar (and the Vorta) would make good drones, but the Founders would be too small in number to affect the borg.

After all the founders main weapon is the ability to blend in amongst an enemy population. But how could this be employed by a hive-mind species?

If the Borg were involved (thats the true borg, not Voyagers 'cuddly' borg, not that I'd mind cuddling seven mind... ). Then the situation would likely be reversed with the Dominion seeking an alliance with the Federation for help...

hmmm. A possible episode or campaign here, set about 10-years AFTER the war...

Perhaps a joint task force sent to work with Dominion forces to halt a Borg invasion of the Gamma quadrant...

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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"
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[John Raynor]

I'm reminded of something that Machievelli
said, re. conquering and ruling different
kinds of countries. If memory serves me
correctly, he compared two countries: France
(a disorganized feudal kingdom, infested with
grasping, squabbling princelings), and Turkey
(a tightly organized country, ruled by an
autocrat with nearly absolute power).

According to Machievelli, it's very hard to
conquer a well-organized autocracy, but once
you've disposed of its current rulers, it's
easy to hang on to power there. On the other
hand, it's easy to conquer a disorganized
country, but once you're there, ruling it
is a never-ending challenge (because there's
always some feudal princeling with a claim on
the throne and enough loyal followers to make
trouble).

So, what does this mean for "Star Trek" and
the Dominion War?

The Klingons would be a never-ending source
of trouble to the victorious Dominion. Yes,
the "Empire" might be conquered, but
individual generals and admirals wouldn't
meekly lay down their arms -- they would keep
fighting for their own Houses. After a
Dominion victory, there would be countless
Klingon splinter-states -- individually weak,
and perhaps prone to squabbling among
themselves, but as difficult to nail down
as quicksilver...

The Romulans, on the other hand, have no
tradition of resisting authority. After a
ruthless purge of their ruling class, they
would become an excellent servant-race.
Indeed, after a generation or two, the Vorta
might face some stiff competition!

[Capt.Hunter]

Re: Janeway's previous postings.

In the episode "Night", Tuvok relates a story about Janeway's tendency to seek redemption for what she sees as her mistakes. He mentions a starship (don't remember the name but it wasn't the Al-Batani: began with a "B") and says it was her first command. This may tie in with the "Pathways" novel by Jeri Taylor which gives Tuvok's backstory and first meeting with Janeway.

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"Captain Hunter, you are clearly outgunned. I suggest you surrender your vessel": Romulan Commander Terev, Imperial Warbird Senex

"Cmdr.Terev, you clearly have no idea we're carrying quantum torpedoes. I suggest you duck!": Capt.Matt Hunter, USS Tempest

[Mig1]

Interesting quotes from Machiavelli, John.

I think the Romulans would be hard to keep down though, if you go with the Way of D'era boxed set. The Romulans beleive it is the destiny to rule the universe, each and every romulan. And many romulans have loyalty to their senators, much in a way similar to the way the Klings also have Great Houses.

I could see many Senatorial House fleets and armies battling on after the empire has fallen.

The Federation too, may splinter into it's component parts. Though that would be far less likely.

Here is an idea, kind of play it like Gene Rodenbery's Andromeda has set the fall of the Commonwealth. If you follow what I mean.

[calguard66]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Raynor:

Bthe average Romulan citizen is *used*
to being spied on, ordered around, and
generally mistreated by his or her superiors.
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True. But the Romulan "religion" holds that Romulans are destined to rule the universe... not be ruled by someone else. It would take an entire re-vamp of their culture and outlook to accept that they were somebody else's servant race.

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[Dan Gurden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by calguard66:
True. But the Romulan "religion" holds that Romulans are destined to rule the universe... not be ruled by someone else. It would take an entire re-vamp of their culture and outlook to accept that they were somebody else's servant race.

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And add the Serona tour, and you have an active resistance of an entire population, all of whom have served some time in their societys military structure in some way...

Ouch.



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Dan.

"A couple of thoughts from a random mind!"
http://www.theventure.freeserve.co.uk

[John Raynor]

I don't have access to the LUG's boxed set
re. the Romulans, only the TNG core rulebook
and the two hardback supplements, so my
information re. LUG's interpretation of the
Romulans is limited.

I didn't say that breaking the Romulans to
servitude would be *easy*. Since they're
paranoid, reclusive, and conspiracy-minded,
controlling them with shapeshifters would be
very difficult (in a more liberal society,
like the Federation, where personal privacy
is both expected and protected, shapeshifters
would be far less likely to be identified).
I'd say the Dominion's conquest of the
Romulans would involve at least a decade
of incredibly brutal "total" warfare. The
Dominion would probably "mop up" the rest of
the region first, gather its strength, and
*then* bit the proverbial bullet and turn on
the Romulans...

But...the average Romulan citizen is *used*
to being spied on, ordered around, and
generally mistreated by his or her superiors.
And I get the feeling that ambitious Romulans
try to get ahead by "using the system," even
if "the system" isn't fair or just. So,
after the war, and after the bloody purges,
the Romulans would probably make pretty good
servants (although I suspect that they
might have "secret long-term plans," to
gather power and influence, and eventually
"adjust" the Dominion to suit themselves...)