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    Angry Murdering b@$+@&ds...

    Schoolkids murdered. Schoolkids. And this wasn't a random attack with a long range rocket or a spray of machinegun fire. This $#!+head got on to that bus, saw it was full of kids, and blew them to kingdom come. (And himself straight to hell) Last week one of these animals infiltrated a settlement and bravely shot an unarmed woman and her two kids to death at point-blank range with an AK-47. In another West Bank town, they ampushed a religious procession. Where's the outrage? Why are the flaming crapweasels at the UN standing by and doing nothing? Why are we telling the Israelis to hold back when dealing with this. Why are they listening to us? The more this sort of thing goes on, the more I favor the phrase "Deus lo vult!"...

    Wasn't one Holocaust enough?
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    Re: Murdering b@$+@&ds...

    Originally posted by Cybrludite
    Schoolkids murdered. Schoolkids. And this wasn't a random attack with a long range rocket or a spray of machinegun fire. This $#!+head got on to that bus, saw it was full of kids, and blew them to kingdom come. (And himself straight to hell) Last week one of these animals infiltrated a settlement and bravely shot an unarmed woman and her two kids to death at point-blank range with an AK-47. In another West Bank town, they ampushed a religious procession. Where's the outrage? Why are the flaming crapweasels at the UN standing by and doing nothing? Why are we telling the Israelis to hold back when dealing with this. Why are they listening to us? The more this sort of thing goes on, the more I favor the phrase "Deus lo vult!"...

    Wasn't one Holocaust enough?
    Let's see;

    1) They are animals.
    2) The UN has been the mouth piece of the 3rd world for the last 20 or so years.
    3) Moral Superiority. Hypocritic Superiority if you ask me, particularly from the States. A war in Afganistan and Iraq is all well and good, but if someone else does the same thing then they get slapped by Uncle Sam.

    BTW watch the news about this. I'll bet the Arab attack will get about 2 minutes coverage in one newscast, and Israeli retailiation will get coverage for the next week.

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    Methinks its past time for the Jews to practice a few Roman tactics...

    like Decimation and sowing the ground with salt.
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    Originally posted by First of Two
    Methinks its past time for the Jews to practice a few Roman tactics...

    like Decimation and sowing the ground with salt.
    They won't do it. That's the real irony about all this. In the face of this sort of attack, either by percentage of population affected or number of casualties (whichever is less), anyone else would have made the Palestinians as mythical as Troy by this point. The Palis rejected a generous peace offer, and responded with a reign of terror. I can't imagine any Christian country turning the other cheek so many times.
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    One side strikes at the other. side a strikes, b askes for help. b gets help, then starts striking back. A is not able to call for help.
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    I agree that one holocaust was enough and I wonder why Israel practices methods other dictators used before.
    They force the Palastenians to live in so called 'refugee' camps, which they are not allowed to leave no matter if they ever had a criminal record or not. There are many people which never saw anything else than these camps. They are born there, they live there and they die there because of the terrible medical supply, or retaliations.
    I do not agree that the 'worst' Palestenians are those who enter the bus and kill all people/ kids in there. This certainly is a terrible crime, but the really worse are those who tell these young men ( I imagine that they are younger than me, and I am not that old ) what a heroic deed it is and so on. They themselve certainly do not believe this to be Alas will but use there 'puppets in the string' to bulster their power and influence.
    However the Israelis are not better. They did not agree to let in UN troops to make peace in their country and steadily fire up the hate between those two people out of the same reasons to bulster their power and influence. If I had to say anything in the world, I would imprison Arafad and Sharon alike, both are war-criminals and then let them settle their disput in private.
    What I do not understand is why the Israelis steadily provoke the Palestenians by invading their grounds and built up settlements and I cannot understand why the Palestenians enter busses, discos whatever to bomb innocent people and children.
    I do not say, there is any good or bad in this conflict, but certainly the Israelis are not 'innocent', nor are the Palestenians.
    Arafat had his chance to come to terms with Barak - he denied those. The response was Sharon being elected and since then we have this fights again.

    BTW sowing the soil with salt is useless, because they Israelis already took the valuable land from the Palestenians. Hmmm reminds me of South Africa...


    What i find terrifying is the fact of generalisation. All Palis are terrorists for the Israelis and otherwise alike.
    I saw Palis training their children, hardly ten years old, firing weapons and actually shooting only just past them to drive them forward on a training course. I saw Palestinians killing two recruits of the Israelis, who simply lost track and ended up in the wrong neighborhood.
    I saw Israelis shooting at children, who threw stones. They did not shoot with rubber bullets, but with real ones. Great idea - Killing them will convince their brothers, sisters parents, uncles... that in fact Israelis are actually nice guys and real friends.
    Somehow I dare to questions this.
    Straight speaking, the Israelis surpress the Palestinians and they try to justify their terrorism with that. neither of them is smart enough to see, that stopping to do so, would end this terrible conflict. How do you want to convince a college student to grab a pack of TNT and kill people when he is actually a friend of them, can live freely and do what he wants?
    How do you convince a soldier to shoot children, if they are not driven by 'demagoges' and do not attack you?

    There are criminals on both sides - the problem is that those lead the people.
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    Well spoken, Evan.

    I think this conflict has reached a point where neither side is right or wrong. There is just hatred - hatred from retaliations against retaliations that were themselves retaliations from another retaliation - and the will to destroy the other.

    A Jewish co-worker with wich I discussed this once answered that this was not true, since Israel has the power to utterly wipe out any living Palestinian and does not. That's probably true. To me it shows that Israel has managed to keep one level of humanity in this war. But that doesn't prove that the Palestinians have lost this level of humanity either, since we can't know what they would do with Israel's arsenal (we can guess, but that's not a fact, isn't it ?).

    The only victims of this war are homo sapiens sapiens. It's far too late to decide who's right and wrong. You can find atrocities in both sides. It must be stopped, that's all.

    Sadly, the only forseeable solution to stop this conflict so far seems to be for the Israelian to utterly wipe out any living Palestinian.

    I just hope it won't happen, for Israel would win peace to the price of becoming worse than its ennemies.
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    Posted by Evan Van Eyk:
    However the Israelis are not better. They did not agree to let in UN troops to make peace in their country and steadily fire up the hate between those two people out of the same reasons to bulster their power and influence.
    This will happen over their dead bodies, only (Sharon and Arafat I mean). A U.N. intervention would be seen as a sign of weakness by Sharon and a personal insult to Arafat for not protecting his people and resorting to outside non-arab help.

    Posted by Evan Van Eyk:
    What I do not understand is why the Israelis steadily provoke the Palestenians by invading their grounds
    Israelis don't provoke anyone. Its the fundamentalist Zionist Israelis which build the settlements. Though in reality, if peace were possible Israel would remove them by force. Back in '76, Israel had settlements built in the Sinai peninsula, ALL of them were removed once the peace was signed.

    I agree with you, neither side is innocent in this conflict. The only way this conflict will end is when one side is completely removed from the area or that wall the Israelis are building actually works. Watch the next elections, Netanyahu is much more a right winger than Sharon. His chances of becoming elected are quite high. And if he does than Sharon may become a "moderate" by their standards. Of course they all pale by comparison to Golda Meir.
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    Arrow

    All I can say, this is not the first nor shall be the last, as long as radicals right-wing fundamentalists on both side still exist, the moderates who wants peace will suffer.

    Again, that's what you get when you do not control the extremists.

    I got to the sad, dissapointing stage where I pray that God deny humanity the Earthly Paradise and just sink the Israeli and Palestinian state into the sea like Atlantis. We humanity shed so much blood on that Holy Land to appease God and gain favors as His Favorite Children, we lost sight on the Gift He's given us, whatever is it that chose us to exist.
    Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...

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    While I may share some similiar views as presented here.

    I am speaking as a moderator after several reports of concern in the nature of this thread and racial like attitudes that may or may not have been intentionally expressed.

    Please do not make such comprhensive statements a bout a people overall. When it is individuals who are at fault.

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    I would just like to present a few points here.

    1) After the '73 War Moshe Dayan saw to it that Israel's borders were as open as they could be. Palis didn't need ID to enter to go to work or their daily business. He tried to make it so both sides could live in peace, and how was he repaid? More terror attacks. The people I blame here are the so-called "peace loving' Palistines, if they were so peace loving they would hand over all the terrorists to PROPER authorities (not their own people who turn them loose as soon as everyones back is turned.)

    2) Why should either side allow UN moderators in? Would the US allow UN moderators in if Texas decided to leave the Union? I don't think so. Not to mention the UN is a totally useless organ, and has been for a very long time.

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    The Palestinians have resorted to terror tactics in order to prevent their plight from being forgotten by the rest of the world. They know that terror is news and news, even the bad, keeps Palestine in the public eye. Israel has never bargained with the Palestinians in good faith, and Sharon has seen fit to destroy the reputation of the one individual whom the majority of Palestinians respected. Arafat no longer has the confidence of his people, and one can only wonder how soon the whole matter will come to genocide... of the Palestinian people. Should it go that far, Israel will become worse villains than any Hitler could ever be, in my mind, having passed through one Holocaust only to commit a second themselves.

    To me, this is not so much infuriating or alarming as it is tragic.
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    Originally posted by Lt.Khrys Antos
    Posted by Evan Van Eyk:


    This will happen over their dead bodies, only (Sharon and Arafat I mean). A U.N. intervention would be seen as a sign of weakness by Sharon and a personal insult to Arafat for not protecting his people and resorting to outside non-arab help.

    Posted by Evan Van Eyk:


    Israelis don't provoke anyone. Its the fundamentalist Zionist Israelis which build the settlements.
    I see thinks differently. First of all, Arafat asked UN for involvement, for sending troops ( its been some time ago, I thinks it is more than a year ). The Israelis denied that. While I understand this to be a 'inner affair' I think if they are so interested in peace they should have allowed this. ( Note: When speaking of the Israelis, I mean the government, which represents that people, that does not mean that all Israelis are warmongers ). The fear of showing weakness here actually makes clear what the real intentions are - power greed. Power is more valued than peace. however that is nonsense, because if Sharon had finanally managed a peace, he certainly would have become far more powerful than now, where his government is 'threatened' by even more radical politicians.

    Next there are government supported prgrammes to built settlements on grounds which where long ago agreed upon to be Palistinian. And fi these are the deeds of dundamentalists, why not simply get your bulldozer there, remove the houses now as a sign of good faith? The government would show justice, instead of injustice.
    And the maybe worst provocation was Sharon going along the Tempel-Hill ( not sure if its the true spelling ), on this religious festival of the Palestinians when they had been promised to be left a lone - It is a major insult and religious issue if a 'non-believer' in their eyes walks around the temple on this day. Sharon did so on purpose - the results were the peace talks failed and he came into office.
    However Arafat is no better he simply ignored the hand, Barak reached out. Because he wanted Jerusalem in the whole and not just prts of it. That again shows that Arafat also is only interested in power.


    And Phantom, you have to see that for the Palestinians do not see Israel as proper authorities, because it is in injust state ( very much like South Africa was ). However that does not mean that thei authorities are much better. Putting a terrorist into a uniform does not make him a cop after all.
    I can only hope that soon there is somebody on either side who comes to his senses and that both Arafat and Sharon are removed from office to make room for less power greedy but peaceloving politicians.
    However I see the only chance to make that happen, by getting UN troops in their which hold back both sides and so make room for negotiations with a cool mind instead one full of hatred. However that would still take I believe more than a decade.
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    Arafat has been making noises about bringing in the UN, yes, but the UN has been notoriously biased against Israel. It would be like bringing in the Klu Klux Klan to mediate a dispute between the Black Panthers & Christian Identity... How long have those refuge camps you go on about been in areas controlled by the PA? Couple of years now, right? Mind telling me just how it's Israel's fault that folks are still held there? At any rate, Israel offered Arafat 98% of what he was asking for, with the remaining 2% open for discussion & compromise. He responed with the second Intafada, resulting in the deaths of over 500 Israelis and over 1000 Palestinians.

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