Deleted Scenes from the Two Towers?

**Liquidator Queeg** · 12-24-2002, 08:25 PM

Saw this over at the One Ring website. Does anyone think these scenes would have improved the film? Made it worse?

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1040672176

Cheers,

Steve

**Phantom** · 12-24-2002, 09:18 PM

Can't see how they would have added anything more of worth to the movie.

**RaconteurX** · 12-25-2002, 02:23 AM

Several bits might have made aspects of the story seem less erratic. But then, the whole "Scouring of the Shire" sequence will apparently be absent from Return of the King...

Hrm.

**SIR SIG** · 12-25-2002, 04:01 PM

SOME of those seens would have been of benefit for only 'purists' like myself.

Other scenes shouldn't have been there at all like Arwen at Helm's Deep.

**Ineti** · 12-26-2002, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by SIR SIG
Other scenes shouldn't have been there at all like Arwen at Helm's Deep.

Er, what?

When was Arwen at Helm's Deep? I've seen the movie three times, and don't recall her being there...

**calguard66** · 12-30-2002, 11:31 AM

It was in Aragorn's dream. She wasn't actually there.

Originally posted by Ineti
Er, what?

When was Arwen at Helm's Deep? I've seen the movie three times, and don't recall her being there...

**REG** · 12-30-2002, 05:23 PM

Unless SIR SIG actually means to say "Eowyn," the blond-haired hottie played by Miranda Otto.

And yeah, the Arwen appearance in The Two Towers is simply Aragorn's dream or vision when he got separated from Legolas, Gimli, and the Rohan refugees.

**SIR SIG** · 12-30-2002, 06:10 PM

Actually I said that before I'd seen the movie and was under the assumption that the rumor of Arwen bringing Narsil to Aragorn in Helms Deep was correct.

Of course as I have seen and as others have stated, such a scene never made it screen.

Still it looks like she'll come down with the sons of Elrond and bring the reforged Anduril/Narsil to Aragorn some time during TROTK.

**Greg Smith** · 12-31-2002, 06:20 AM

A couple of scenes I would like to have seen in the film:

A beautiful soliloquy from Faramir post-battle with the Haradrim, where he asks rethorically 'I wonder what his name was, where his home is, his family. Was he really evil at heart, or did the Dark Lord deceive him, as he has deceived so many others? What lies or threats led him on the long march from his home?'

This was in the book, but I think it was Sam who thought it.

Ents participating in the battle of Helm's Deep

Of course that would have required restructuring the ending of the film, but it would have been closer to the book.

Several scenes involving the two hobbits and Treebeard, including Merry and Pippin drinking the Ent Draught

Merry and Pippin were underused, IMHO. This would have redressed the balance.

It will be interesting to see how many of these scenes will be included in the extended DVD (assuming there will be one), since many of them contain aspects of the story that were radically altered, not just excluded for timing.

**Ramage** · 12-31-2002, 10:29 AM

The old books-vs-movies problem...

I am not fond of having the elves show up at Helm's Deep from a purity point-of-view, but it works on a movie level. Equally the hourns (not ents) who arrived at Helm's Deep in the book did not move about -- they just mulched the orcs, et alia, that retreated into them -- not terribly cinematic.

This movie had many more changes than FotR, by the book. Faramir, I think, took the worst beating, but even so I think overall we had a DAMN good film!

Then again, I am waiting for the dvd so I can hear Gimli praise the caves and good rocks of the Deep. I know I heard him comment a bit in one of the trailers...

**Greg Smith** · 12-31-2002, 01:38 PM

The Huorns weren't mentioned in the Film, so I guess the sequence that was filmed and omitted showed the Ents. Which would have been cinematically better, cos the Hourns don't move much, as you say.

I too would like to see Gimli discussing the caves with Legolas, and the outcome of their counting slain orcs. Heres hoping both are in the DVD or RotK.

**Ineti** · 12-31-2002, 02:16 PM

I'm looking forward to whatever they add to the movie. I do hope they clean up the editing and scene flow just a bit. There are a couple scenes where they cut to Merry and Pippin with Treebeard that just felt wrong.

I'd like to see the resolution to the Gimli/Legolas "contest" during Helm's Deep. And more of the Ents' attack on Isengard.

**Phantom** · 12-31-2002, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Greg Smith
The Huorns weren't mentioned in the Film, so I guess the sequence that was filmed and omitted showed the Ents. Which would have been cinematically better, cos the Hourns don't move much, as you say.

Treebeard does mention them, I think, when he says the trees would do the Hobbits harm, if they could.

**Greg Smith** · 01-01-2003, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Phantom
Treebeard does mention them, I think, when he says the trees would do the Hobbits harm, if they could.

Sometimes it sucks being deaf.

I've got to wait for the DVD to get all the dialogue with subtitles.

Okay. So it would have been nice to have the Hourns go to Helm's Deep.

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