Ultimate Trek

[Hugh Casey]

I personally feel that this is a great idea... I posted something about it on the "Is Trek Dying" thread.

I think that basically a "remake" of classic trek would work very well... but B&B should not be involved. While enterprise is a decent show, there is nothing "new & exciting" about it. The stories tend to be the old tried & true, and there is no new way of looking at it.

"Ultimate" Trek should be a new way of looking at the old... after all, the Movie "Batman" was very different than the old '60's tv show, and how many versions of "Dracula" have been done. With the right cast & creative team, and a healthy respect for the source material, it could be a great thing.

Or it could crash like lead balloon. It would depend on the talent.

My twin coppers...

H.

[Silverthorne]

This poses a problem. If the PTB went back and just said lets do a Ultimate Star Trek. Would they stick to the original premise or would they 're-imagine' it. I am not trying to point fingers. But the problems that arise when a series is redone could spell disaster for any good Series.

-Rant mode-

Lets look at some of the changes to another series that was out in the 70's along with the original Trek. BSG.

The 're-imagined' version has a few minor changes.

1. All of the characters names have been changed. I.E. Apollo is now Lee Adama, call sign Apollo.

2. There in a rift between Apollo and his father.

3. Starbuck is now a angry female.

4. Boomer is now female. It is still in undisclosed if she is still black.

5. Boxey is adopted by Boomer.

6. Many other favored characters have not been mentioned. I.E. Sheba, Cassi, Athena.

What will they do to Trek if they decide to remake it.

I shudder in fear of the current ideas on how to fix the problem. Especially since there was now problem to begin wiht.

-/rant mode-

[REG]

Originally posted by Silverthorne

Lets look at some of the changes to another series that was out in the 70's along with the original Trek. BSG.

You mean the one that is being produced by Ron D. Moore, who is responsible for making the Klingon culture come alive in both TNG and DS9 (where he was a co-executive producer)?

For that series, I don't mind the remake, it was just one series with a follow-up series that I would like to forget but still can't to this day (GALACTICA: 1980).

What will they do to Trek if they decide to remake it.

Probably when I no longer walk the earth, or that 10 years or more have gone by since we've seen the last TV series or film. To remake by then, one would explore the depth of the character, including the relations with the fellow crewmembers and family. We might even explore the minor cast so they can be included as the ensemble, from Hikaru Sulu's life on the colony to Uhura's choice to become a starfleet officer.

[erhershman]

Originally posted by Liz Not Beth
What's wrong with it the way it is?

Leave it alone. If you don't like it, watch somthing else or go to FLARE.

Ditto. Trek is "making money..." I checked a few days after Nemesis released and it was No. 2 in the box office or something like that. Nemesis was just released at a bad time... I've got to wonder which idiot at Paramount decided to release it just a few days for The Two Towers came out.

Trek is definitely "making money..." just not enough money to satisfy those studio executives. Apparently they're doing the same thing NBC did which is look at the ratings and assume that nobody is watching the show.

Have they noticed how all of the Trek shows that have been on a network as opposed to syndicated have done poorly in ratings? You think they'd take the hint.

[AslanC]

Originally posted by erhershman
Ditto. Trek is "making money..." I checked a few days after Nemesis released and it was No. 2 in the box office or something like that. Nemesis was just released at a bad time... I've got to wonder which idiot at Paramount decided to release it just a few days for The Two Towers came out.

Yeah Number 2 on the weekend it came out, losing to "Maid In Manhattan". Then the next week it dropped liike a rock.

Like it or not, Trek is losing steam and fast.

Die hard fans could only muster enough to get it into number two behind a throw-away romantic comedy.

As of the 22nd of Decmeber (this weekend isn't in yet at Variety)

1 LORD OF THE RINGS: TWO TOWERS $62.0
2 TWO WEEKS NOTICE $14.3
3 MAID IN MANHATTAN $10.7
4 GANGS OF NEW YORK $9.5
5 DRUMLINE $7.1
6 THE WILD THORNBERRYS $6.0
7 THE HOT CHICK $4.6
8 STAR TREK: NEMESIS $4.4
9 HARRY POTTER CHAMBER SECRETS $4.4
10 DIE ANOTHER DAY $4.0

I will be surprised to see it not drop to 10th or even off the charts after this weekend.

Drumline? The Hot Chick?


At this pace, they will be lucky to make any domestic box office profit. Foreign box office will be higher and probably they will good money on DVD and Video next year.

In the entertainment business this poor a showing is a clear indicator that the franchise has run its course and either needs a revitalization of some kind, or to be put down.

[AslanC]

Originally posted by erhershman
Have they noticed how all of the Trek shows that have been on a network as opposed to syndicated have done poorly in ratings? You think they'd take the hint.

Didn't DS9 air in Syndication? I think it did and it had poor ratings as well.

TNG was the only first run Star Trek show to have strong ratings (usually number one in it's syndicated market).

DS9 was considered a ratings failure by the Studio. Aside from the fact that Voyager and Enterprise are UPN shows and therefore carry that support, they have both had lower ratings than other shows that have been cancelled on their own and other networks.

[REG]

Originally posted by AslanC

DS9 was considered a ratings failure by the Studio.

This just confirms my already steadfast belief that the Studio and audience like me are not of one mind. DS9 was the best one that tops TNG.

The bunch of suits at Paramount and at Star Trek franchise management do not have their finger on the pulse of their audience. They're completely clueless, IMNSHO.

[AslanC]

Originally posted by REG
[BThe bunch of suits at Paramount and the Star Trek franchise management does not have the pulse on audience. They're completely clueless, IMNSHO. [/B]

But REG, more people watched TNG than DS9. You can't blame the studio for that.

The fan base just wasn't there. The numbers for DS9 were much lower than TNG.

That means the fans weren't watching.

[The Midnighter]

Let's get back to the idea of an Ultimate Trek series...being a collector of Marvel's Ultimate X-Men series, I can say that this would be an interesting path to follow...

Kirk and company in the current Trek universe....c'mon folks...I know you can get this rolling...


I'll start it off with a change to the Enterprise itself...why not go to the opposite end of the spectrum and say that NCC-1701 isn't a Sovereign-class...but instead it's a Defiant?

Next?

[AslanC]

I disagree with that choice of ship, the enterprise is the Queen of the Fleet, she has to be big and powerful, every ship called Enterprise is always the best Starfleet has to offer (even that NX-01 thing).

I say either a Sovie or a movie gen Ent, as those are the best looking IMHO.

[The Midnighter]

Aslan, I understand your reasoning, I really do...

but the idea of the Ultimate style is to take something that's been established and fully change it...

Hence my suggestion...

[An example from the Ultimate X-Men storyline...in the standard X-men universe, Jean Grey is an adult, well-versed in the use of her powers...

In the Ultimate universe, Jean Grey is a young punk rocker girl just learning the scope of her talents.]

When I said the Ultimate version of the Enterprise was a Defiant, that was something to start with...nothing says further on in the story that it couldn't become a Galaxy or Sovereign...things evlove, as did the Enterprise...

[AslanC]

Well to be honest I have read ultimate X--Men and Spider-Man and didn't like either. I really liked the Ultimates though.

I disagree on the ship, but won't argue it.

[The Midnighter]

Aslan, Aslan, Aslan...

I wasn't trying to create any arguments...

I was just throwing something out in order to get the ball rolling, that's all.

[AslanC]

No worries dude didn't take offense.

Please continue

[bilbosmaug]

starfleet uniforms from TNG's "Darmok' with strips down pant legs, UFP seal inside of Starfleet seal and the pips at the shoulder instead of the neck.

TOS

2164

USS Enterprise NCC-01

Constitution Class (ala DS9's "Trials and Tribblelations" with warp nacelles from NX-01 and glowing nav deflector and impulse engines.)

First Officer- Hikaru Suru

Security Chief- Nyota Uhuru

Helm- Pavel Checkov

Scotty always had mustache

more things to do for all the characters

TNG

2288

USS Stargazer
Ambassador Class

Helm- Deanna Troi (liked the command testing, her piloting the Enterprise, the Betazoid officer in Voyager's "Caretaker" and Ezri changing to Command in DS9 relaunch)

Science Officer- Data (some books list him as thus. Also his job is like Spock's. On DS9 Jadzia was the Science Officer and Miles was the Chief of Operations?! On Voyager Harry's station was in the same place as Spock's was on the refitted Enterprise.)

Security Chief- Worf
always at pony tail

Chief Engineer- Geordi LaForge
never lost his VISOR

Chief Medical Officer- Beverly Crusher

Romulans look like Vulcans but with the costumes from TNG

Klingons look the way they do in TNG's 6th season

Klingons and Romulans act the way they do on TNG/DS9

Klingons never got cloak tech

keep hand phasers from "The Motion Picture' and "The Wrath of Khan"


2389

DS9

Uss Defiant
Sovereign Class

Sisko always had beard and rank of Captain

Shar looks like the Andorians on "Enterprise"


2401

SCE..........