[LOTR] Heroes of the 4th Age

[Julian]

I don't know guys, the idea of an Elite Order in my mind is such that this character is the best of the best of the best. Legolas, Aragorn, they bth would be within the elite order they are way above average heroes but that is the idea. I have been playing this system for a while and trust me there are SERIOUS ways to make a munchikin or even a kick ass character with only 2 or even 3 advancments. Useage of edges and even flaws...

Of course this is all in my humble opinion, but I will be following the book.

btw I saw another request for NPC's, just send me a message and let me know what you need I can do it....lol...I don't do Munchkin

[AslanC]

Well I don't think my characters are particularly Munchkin either.

Where is this rule about no Elite Orders until 7th advancement? I can't seem to find it.

[Kaiddin]

Originally posted by AslanC
Well I don't think my characters are particularly Munchkin either.

Where is this rule about no Elite Orders until 7th advancement? I can't seem to find it.

Don't have my book here but on the first page of the Elite Orders, about half way down column one. Or there abouts.

[AslanC]

Julian I just found the rule and you are right (thanks for the locator Kaiddin).

So now I have to give them about 3 or 4 more advancements each. I think 10 would be a nice round number.

Grrrr. . .

Oh well c'est la vie

[AslanC]

Hey all. Back at this again.

Here are the characters as I made them. I seem to have made mistakes in the character creations (like I assumed that Language and Lore skills were one skill and then the specialies were subs of it, like in ICON... I have not corrected that in these stats listed).

Can you guys tell me where I have made mistakes here and help me fix them please?

You guys rock

Stats to follow...

[AslanC]

Name: Andunae Telonar (Lastborn)
Race: Elf (Sindar)
Gender: Female
Order: Noble
Elite Order: Archer
Advancements: 10
Attributes: (f)Bearing 9 (+1), Nimbleness 12 (+3), (f)Perception 13 (+3), Strength 7 (+0), Vitality 9 (+1), Wits 8 (+1)
Reactions: Stamina +2, Swiftness +4, (f)Willpower +4, Wisdom +3
Other Attributes: Defence 13, Health 11, Courage 3, Renown 0
Skills: (o)Armed Combat • N +6, (o)Debate • W +2, (o)Intimidate • B +2, (o)Inspire • B +3, (o)Inquire • B +2, (o)Jump • S +2, (r)Language • W (Sindarin) +4, (r)Language • W (Sylvan) +4, (r)Language • W (Westron) +4, (r)Language • W (Quenyan) +4, (o/r)Lore • W (Realm: Rivendell) +5, (r)Lore • W (History: Sindar) +4, (r)Lore • W (Realm: Lorien) +4, (o)Observe • P +4 , (r)Perform • B +2, (o)Persuade • B +1 , (r)Ranged Combat • N +12, (o)Ride • B +5
Racial Abilities: The Art, Musical Gifts, Beast Skill, Comfort, Elven Form, Elven Sense, Elven Sleep, Far Sightedness, Ghost Scorn, Lightfootedness, Swift Healing
Order Abilities: Noble Mien, Bowyer
Edges: Accurate, Healing Hands, Quick Draw
Flaws: Proud
Gear: Longsword, Shortbow, 30 arrows, Dagger.

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Name: Arendan
Race: Man (Middle Man)
Gender: Male
Order: Warrior
Elite Order: Captain
Advancements: 10
Attributes: Bearing 9 (+1), Nimbleness 9 (+1), Perception 10 (+2), (f)Strength 10 (+2), (f)Vitality 10 (+2), Wits 8 (+1)
Reactions: (f)Stamina +4, Swiftness +5, Willpower +1, Wisdom +2
Other Attributes: Defence 11, Health 13, Courage 4, Renown 0
Skills: (r/o)Armed Combat • N (Polearms) +8, (r/o)Climb • S +5, (r)Craft • N (Wine Making) +2, (r)Debate • W +2, (o)Healing • W +1, (r/o)Inspire • B +7, (r/o)Intimidate • B +4, (r)Languages • W (Westron) +6, (r)Lore • W (Arnor/Gondor/Wine Making) +6, (r/o)Observe • P +2, (r/o)Ranged Combat • N (Crossbows) +6, (r/o)Ride • B +2, (r/o)Run • S +4, (o)Siegecraft • W +3, (r/o)Stealth • N +3, (r/o)Survival • P +3
Racial Abilities: Adaptable (+2 Swiftness), Dominion of Man, Skilled
Order Abilities: Air of Command, Evasion, Warrior Born
Languages: Westron
Edges: Command +1, Hammerhand, Rank +1, Stern, Wary
Flaws: Fealty (To the King of Reunited Kingdom)
Gear: Chainmail (hauberk), Longsword, Spear, Dagger, Helmet, Crossbow, Warhorse

[AslanC]

Name: Willow Brandybuck
Race: Hobbit (Fallowhide)
Gender: Female
Order: Minstrel
Elite Order: N/A
Advancements: 10
Attributes: (f)Bearing 10 (+2), Nimbleness 9 (+1), Perception 9 (+1), Strength 6 (+0), Vitality 10 (+2), (f)Wits 7 (+0)
Reactions: Stamina +2, Swiftness +2, Willpower +2, (f)Wisdom +3
Other Attributes: Defence +11, Health 10, Courage 3, Renown 0
Skills: (r/o)Acrobatics • N +2, Armed Combat • N +3, (o/r)Climb • S +3, (r/o)Craft • N (Cooking) +7, (o/r)Debate • W +3, (r/o)Games • N +4, (r/o)Inquire • B +2, (o)Inspire • B +3, (r/o)Language • W (Sinfarin/Westron) +5, (o/r)Legerdemain • N +4, (r/o)Lore • W (Gondor/Shire) +7, (o)Mimicry • B (Animals) +3, (r/o)Observe • P +3, (o)Perform • B (Juggling) +7, (r/o)Persuade • B +6, (r)Ranged Combat • N (Slings) +6, (o/r)Stealth • N +5, (r)Survival • P +1
Racial Abilities: Six Meals a Day, Small Folk, Soft-Footed, Sure of the Mark, Tough as Old Tree Roots
Order Abilities: Jugglery, Natural Talent
Edges: Curious, Eloquent, Fair, Favor of Fortune, Furtive
Flaws: Size (Small)
Gear: Short Sword, Tin Flute, Book and quill (with Ink), Leather shirt, Cooking gear.

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Name: Barahir (Seeker)
Race: Man (Dunedain)
Gender: Male
Order: Warrior
Elite Order: Ranger
Advancements: 10
Attributes: Bearing 7 (+0), Nimbleness 10 (+2), (f)Perception 11 (+2), Strength 8 (+1), (f)Vitality 8 (+1), Wits 9 (+1)
Reactions: (f)Stamina +3, Swiftness +5, Willpower +2, Wisdom +3
Other Attributes: Defence +12, Health 10, Courage 4, Renown 1
Skills: (r/o)Armed Combat • N (Swords) +7, (r/o)Climb • S +2, Conceal • W +1, (r/o)Healing • W +2, (r/o)Intimidate • B +2, (r/o)Jump • S +3, (r)Language • W (Sindarin/Westron) +6, (r)Lore • W (Third Age/Dunedain/Noldor) +6, (r/o)Observe • P +5, (r/o)Persuade • B +1, (r/o)Ranged Combat • N (Bows) +7, (r/o)Ride • B +2, (r)Search • P +2, (r/o)Stealth • N +5, (r/o)Survival • P (Forest) +7, (r/o)Track • W +7, (r)Weathersense • P +2
Racial Abilities: Adaptable (+2 Swiftness), Dominion of Man, Skilled
Order Abilities: Evasion
Languages: Westron, Sindarin
Edges: Accurate, Elf Friend, Keen-Eared, Hardy, Woodcrafty
Flaws: Duty (To protect Eriador)
Gear: Longsword, Chain (shirt), Lowgbow, Elven Dagger

[AslanC]

Name: Illian
Race: Man (Dol Amroth)
Gender: Male
Order: Warrior
Elite Order: Knight
Advancements: 10
Attributes: Bearing 12 (+3), Nimbleness 9 (+1), Perception 8 (+1), Strength 8 (+1), Vitality 9 (+1), Wits 8 (+1)
Reactions: Stamina +3, Swiftness +2, Willpower +5, Wisdom +3
Other Attributes: Defence 11, Health 10, Courage 4, Renown 0
Skills: (r/o)Armed Combat • N (Swords) +10, (r/o)Climb • S +1, (r/o)Healing • W +1, (r/o)Inspire • B +3, (r/o)Intimidate • B +1, (r)Language • W (Westron/Sindarin/Rohirric) +6, (r/o)Lore • W (Heraldry/Dol Amroth) +6, (r/o)Observe • P +2, (r)Persuade • B +2, (r/o)Ranged Combat • N +5, (r/o)Ride • B (Horse) +9, (r/o)Run • S +1, Sea-Craft • W +3, (o)Siegecraft • W +2, (r/o)Survival • P +1, (r)Swim • S +3, (o)Track • W (Mounts) +4
Racial Abilities: Adaptable (+2 willpower), Dominion of Man, Skilled
Order Abilities: Favoured Weapon (Sword), Horsemaster, Mounted Combat, Swift Strike
Edges: Ally (Prince Alfien of Rohan), Eloquent, Valiant, Warrior’s Heart
Flaws: Fealty (To the White Tower), Oath (Knights of Dol Amroth
Gear: Broad Sword, Shield, Plate-Mail, Warhorse with barding, Various stuff.

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Name: Eyrnae
Race: Man (Rhohirrim)
Gender: Female
Order: Noble
Elite Order: N/A
Advancements: 10
Attributes: (f)Bearing 11 (+2), Nimbleness 9 (+1), Perception 8 (+1), Strength 8 (+1), Vitality 8 (+1), (f)Wits 9 (+1)
Reactions: Stamina +4, Swiftness +2, (f)Willpower +5, Wisdom +2
Other Attributes: Defence +11, Health 11, Courage 5, Renown 6
Skills: (r/o)Armed Combat • N (Swords/Spears) +6, (o/r)Debate • W +3, (r)Healing • W +2, (o/r)Inquire • B +3, (o/r)Inspire • B +6, (o/r)Intimidate • B +3, Languages • W (Rohirric/Westron) +6, (o/r)Lore • W (Rohan/Horse/Eowyn) +6, (o/r)Observe • P (See) +4, (o/r)Persuade • B +2, (r)Ranged Combat • N +3, (o/r)Ride • B (Horses) +7, (r)Teamster • S +2, (r)Weathersense • P +1
Racial Abilities: Adaptable (+2 Stamina), Dominion of Man, Skilled
Order Abilities: Deference
Edges: Eloquent, Healing Hands, Honor’s Insight, Mounted Combat, Night Eyed
Flaws: Duty (Rohan)
Gear: Dernhelm’s Armour, Longsword, Spear, Mearas (Ashwind)

[Phantom]

I don't know if I have said this before... A Mearas, whoa!

Cool, but

[ben hur]

What's the background on that Mearas, Aslan? I may be wrong, but I don't think the Mearas ever let anyone but the Kings of Rohan ride them; there were extremely few exceptions, the only one I know of being Gandalf with Shadowfax. Perhaps there is a special exception with her as well? Or perhaps being the niece of the King is close enough, I really don't know.

I really like all the names! Except Willow... too suggestive of the Willow I think... but that could be just me!

[AslanC]

She is a neice of the king and important, and that is why she rides the Meras, also Shadowfax was more special I think.

Willow was chosen simply because it is a tall slender tree

Now as to the numbers, that is where I need the help with... any thoughts?

[ben hur]

Originally posted by AslanC
She is a neice of the king and important, and that is why she rides the Meras, also Shadowfax was more special I think.

That's neat. Maybe she had to chase it down for a week or two until she finally had it caught, like Gandalf did. I'm totally fine with her being one of the exceptions, but I'd like it better if there were a little story behind it.

Originally posted by AslanC
Willow was chosen simply because it is a tall slender tree

(chuckle)...

Originally posted by AslanC
Now as to the numbers, that is where I need the help with... any thoughts?

Alright!

Now, at first I was a little confused by all those (f), (o), (r), B, N, and so on, I couldn't figure out what they meant (stupid me). But now I think it's like this (tell me if I'm wrong):

B, N, P, S, V, W: Attributes that are normally used by the Skill.

f: Favoured Attribute or Reaction.

o, r, o/r, r/o: Order or Racial Skill, or both.

Now, one thing you might want to know... according to the errata, Racial Skills are not the Skills listed in the section about your Race, but are Language and Lore skills only. Stinks, don't it? However, in your case, don't worry about it at all! It's entirely fine to just use Racial Skills like you have been doing, I think it's actually a better idea to do it that way. But if you are making NPCs for the use of other people, just keep that rule in mind.

(secretly, I use the Racial Skills just like you do in my personal games, but when I'm making NPCs or testing out rules I use them according to the Errata )

[AslanC]

Originally posted by ben hur
That's neat. Maybe she had to chase it down for a week or two until she finally had it caught, like Gandalf did. I'm totally fine with her being one of the exceptions, but I'd like it better if there were a little story behind it.

The answer to this is here

http://forum.trek-rpg.net/showthread...356#post111356

Now, at first I was a little confused by all those (f), (o), (r), B, N, and so on, I couldn't figure out what they meant (stupid me). But now I think it's like this (tell me if I'm wrong):

B, N, P, S, V, W: Attributes that are normally used by the Skill.

f: Favoured Attribute or Reaction.

o, r, o/r, r/o: Order or Racial Skill, or both.

Now, one thing you might want to know... according to the errata, Racial Skills are not the Skills listed in the section about your Race, but are Language and Lore skills only. Stinks, don't it? However, in your case, don't worry about it at all! It's entirely fine to just use Racial Skills like you have been doing, I think it's actually a better idea to do it that way. But if you are making NPCs for the use of other people, just keep that rule in mind.

(secretly, I use the Racial Skills just like you do in my personal games, but when I'm making NPCs or testing out rules I use them according to the Errata )

Okay so there are no more Racial Skills? That seems odd since they went to putting so much into them at the start of character creations.

Personally I am happy they are gone, since it was getting to where almost every skill you took was either a racial or order skill.

On the other hand it is a pain in the ass, trying to fix them now.