Assuming a game universe where Endgame took place exactly as shown on TV (And the rest of the VOY series expected Threshold maybe), and taking into account that Starfleet heroes manage to get away with gross violations of the rules most of the time...
Where do you see the Federation, USS Voyager and her crew a year or two after the end of the series?
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OK. As a Pro-Voyager there are several things that I was disaapointed at not seeing.
Chakotay and Crew. Upon their arrival they are charged with their activities whuile in the Maquis. Chakotay promises that they will abide by the federation councils decision, and they are all brought to stand.
Before anything can happen Janeway and Paris, closely followed by the rest of the crew (Harry First, then Seven, and so on...) step forward, with Tuvok and Vorik, being the last to step forward (but it is significant that they do so). They state that they wish to stand with their crewmates and accept the punishment.
The council then states that due to their actions, exempliary of a Starfleet officer, they are all pardoned unconditionally, and offered a commission at their current rank should they wish to take it.
The Doc also gets a court case, and is represented by Lt. Commander Data to gain his rights as a sentient. Eventually receiving full sentient rights, and the rank of Lieutenant.
"So," says an admiral dryly "Thats opened up another whole mess or worms. " refering to all the EMH's in existance.
"Certainly" replies Data "but Starfleet is always searching for new life and civilisations, and yet here was one all along. Right under our noses..."
Voyager is pretty much permanently drydocked, having been to hell and back, and while Starfleet R&D try to reverse engineer the future enhancements. Most of which are under wraps. Unknown to Starfleet most of the data was shared amongst whats left of the Borg collective before the virus took effect. It is clear that while the Borg have leapt ahead technologically, they are in disarray, the change returning the status quo...
Several of the Voyager crew request assignment to this project, but most remain together and with promotions and such gain a newly commissioned USS Voyager (But no -A moniker) Sovereign Class is placed under Janeways command. Kathy having turned down an offer as commandant of the academy.
Barclay however joins the crew, along with Neelix the cat, who becomes popular among the crew.
Lastly Seven of Nine meets with the only other person who can fully understand her 'unique' situation. Picard. And along with meeting her living family, returns to her human name Anaka, continuing her relationship with Chakotay.
Whether or not she remains with Chakotay long-term is howqever irrelevant, as she remains with her friends as a Civilian science specialist...
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As can be seen from my post below, I've been wondering about this one myself. And anything below that comes across as Voyager Bashing is unintentional as, despite a number of "bads", I quite enjoyed the series (have I now just lost all credibiliity on only my second post?). Anyway, here's a scenario I was planning on for a future episode.
So Voyager gets home, everyone is happy and Starfleet have some shiny new gizmos to strap onto their ships which can make short work of your average Borg cube.
Ah yes, the Borg... OK, the queen is dead long live the queen and all that. Despite whatever disarray her loss and the loss of the transwarp hub might cause I don't think our favourite collective can be written off just yet. And they now know that Starfleet have at least one ship that can outgun them. More to the point, they know Starfleet has weapons and shield technology that is superior to their own. Logic dictates (sorry!) that they should
(a) Eliminate the obvious threat swiftly before Starfleet strap said new gizmos all over the fleet and launch a massive Borg hunt, but more importantly;
(b) Assimilate the rather nice new gizmos - that is the whole Borg raison d'etre after all.
All in all I see big trouble for Starfleet after "Endgame" - whatever Borg cubes are in range should immediately be heading with all speed for Earth. Oh dear!
Finally, I think Harry Kim finally gets a promotion!
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Just thought of a way to resolve about everything problematic with the future tech lying around.
So, you are SF Command and you have a few of those transphasic torpedoes thingies lying around. (Let's say about 5). You need a place to stockpile them and study them, a process that's sure to be long and involved since it's way ahead of your tech. If you store them on Earth, you make that planet even more tempting for the Borg to assimilate.
So you could store them on DS5 of LUG fame, a place where you already have some of the Fed's best Borg and Warfare experts. Now let's say the Borg appear there on their way to Earth on any place else in Alpha Quadrant. They detect the future weapons and decide to alter their course and objectives.
As the fight starts, the Fed realise something... What information the Borg have assimilated from the Voyager attack has allowed them to adapt to Quantum torpedoes. Kinda makes sense.. The Transphasic torpeodes were surely developped as a response to the Borg further adapting to standard Fed weapons. So if you figure out that one weapon employs that or that technobabble to pierce your adaptive shields, you probably can figure out they developped the new tech to solve another adaptive trick. (Following me?)
So, the Fed either use the weapons to fight the Borg or destroy them. No more future tech. And with the new adaptions, the Borg are scary again.
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I love the scenes set so far, but my only comment is:
If we're going for the happy ending, then let the Borg die.
Admiral Janeway killed them. Dead. (as a note, this could explain why Captain Janeway gets off of any charges that might have been filed.
Sure they managed to assimilate the info in the shuttle. Everytime they transmitted that info down the plexus into another cube, it caused the same malfunction. The cube falls apart at the seams. (What, you think the Virus was in Janeway?)
A couple of cubes may well survive, by shutting down their links to each other, and in their death throws attack the Federation. But time is not on their side. Without the resources of the Collective, since the Borg can't evolve and change without assimilating things, then eventually they fall apart.
With the information downloaded to Voyager, you'd have to wreck it rather than just destroying the examples of the shield and torpedoes.
If you don't want to change your game universe that much, you say that the only reason that the technology worked on Voyager is because of all the other technology that was added.
Sure the Fed has the blueprints, but they also got the download of information from the Cytherian probe (Nth Degree) and they can't make any sense of that either.
So, R&D has to try to reverse engineer all the changes to Voyager to see how the synergy of components work.
That should take a few years. By this time, the tech curve for everyone should have advanced that much, and the status quo is maintained.
You can also just ignore the whole repercussions of this. That actually seems to be the StarTrek Way. Where's the Genesis Device? The Federation Phase Cloak? Just forget that that tech ever existed.
As a note, Captain Janeway can put back in charge of the New Voyager when the last 6 Borg cubes come through on a suicide mission.
Yeah, sure it's derivative of TMP. That only reinforces the Janeway to Kirk parallels.
I see Be'lanna given a position at StarFleet R&D trying to figure the tech out. Tom, of cource, will go on to be devoted family guy and author.
Commander Kim (XO) and Commander Tuvok (Sec) will be added to the crew of the New Voyager when the Borg cubes attack, as will the Doctor.
I can see Chakotay (and maybe Seven) settling down, trying to repair the damage to the Maquis worlds.
If Seven decides to join StarFleet, then Lt Hansen can be Ops.
I prefer to use what the Voyager relaunch books will use (at least from what we know so far of the relaunch)
Janeway - interrogated about Admiral Kathryn Janeway's actions; R and R; teaching at the Academy for a while, then booted up to Admiral; romance with Chakotay
Chakotay - all the Maquis are given pardons and Chakotay keeps his commission, but takes an archaeology/anthropology job at Starfleet Academy; romance with Janeway ensues
B'elanna - pardoned and she is assigned to help Starfleet reverse engineer and take study Admiral Janeway's technology; she transits between Utopia Planitia and California, helping to raise Miral; promoted to Lieutenant Commander; goes off to find out about the elder Miral's fate
Tom - pardoned and takes a job testing experimental shuttles and ships which are designed by Harry; promoted to full Lieutenant; helps raise Miral and helps B'elanna on her quest to discover her mother's fate
Neelix - lives out his life at the colony; marries and has three or four kids; awaits the day a Federation vessel will arrive
The Doctor - writes more holoprograms and gets upgraded; spends a year or two reconfined to a holodeck as B'elanna attempts to study and reverse engineer his portable holoemitter; becomes a holographic rights advocate; gets a bruised ego when he sees all the "slave" holograms look exactly like him, and strives for each to be changed to look differently than himself
Tuvok - gets healed by his family; gets a promotion to Commander; takes job in charge of Advanced Tactics at the Academy
Seven - decides that Janeway and Chakotay have something, a chemistry and attraction that she and Chakotay will never have, so they break up; debriefed by Starfleet and works throughout Starfleet in various areas using her Borg expertise and knowledge (training, ship development, etc.)
Harry - designs shuttles; gets promoted twice in the first two years; marries Libby and has 2.3 kids
Kes - gains control over her powers as they increase; goes back in time to prevent her past self from attacking Voyager; then uses powers to create a second coporeal form of herself who goes back to Ocampa in 2376 and guides them against the Kazon; the other Kes returns to 2378 and travels to Earth, where she reunites with her family and friends; the age restriction on her is gone
I love the stuff so far. Especially when it comes to dealing with the Voyager crew. I'm probably going to evenwrite most of it in as "official" for my campaign.
But, I do have one concern about the future technology left on Voyager. I know Janeway tends to be a by-the-book type of Captain. So it makes me think that she would spill the beans on how Voyager came to possess this technology. And that's where I'd see the Office of Temporal Investigations butting their nose in. They'd probably claim that if Starfleet were to reverse-engineer the tech, they would be altering the timeline, quite possibly. Take it from there.
As for my favorite cyborgs... I say let the Collective die in "piece". One major movie, a majority of Voyager's latter seasons... The Borg are on the verge of becoming a "soap-opera" threat. Always back from the dead, no matter what. I say it's time for a new, more plausible threat.
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This is one of the things that really excites me about doing a Voyager sourcebook for Decipher at some point: the ability to “wrap things up” properly and try to make sense of the disaster that was “Endgame.” (That’s my only bash and it was a slight one.)
I don’t want to tip my hand, but I think there are a few angles left to explore. My only great disappointment is, if true, Janeway being promoted to Admiral and no longer in command of Voyager. I think it would be a glowing testament to their ordeal together that, after a year off, the crew of Voyager departs (intact) on a new mission of exploration.
I mean if B&B can keep making excuses to keep the crew of the Enterprise together after so long, Voyager is cake—they’re nearly family!
Regarding the technology from the future, I really don’t envision that as a problem. The DTI can easily step in, confiscate everything, and return everyone to the status quo. After all, they don’t need it with the Dominion and the Borg defeated.
(Begin extreme tangent)
Finally, what should have been in the show?
The crew of Voyager, after returning to Starbase, are assembled for a formal welcome home ceremony and to acknowledge the accomplishments of their fallen crewmembers. After several hours of shaking hands and being patted on the back, Captain Janeway stands at a window, looking out into space around spacedock, her concentration fixated on something not within our view. Harry Kim approaches and they have a brief conversation where Harry talks about how good it is to be back home. Captain Janeway seems distracted. Harry tries to brighten the topic by telling her that Admiral Paris has offered him any posting in the fleet, complete with a promotion. Janeway, showing her maternal instincts, congratulates Harry. They both stand in silence looking out for a moment before Harry tells her that he turned the Admiral down.
“I already have a Captain,” he says.
Janeway looks touched, almost tearful, and gives Harry a hug.
After a few moments the senior officers of Voyager find their way over to the viewport to escape the party, all of them seemingly mesmerized by the view. They stand there for a few moments, together, and Janeway, along with the rest of her crew, realize that through all their hardships, good and bad, the home and family that they thought they missed and longed for all these years, was in fact, no replacement for the home and family they already had.
As the camera pulls back the crew of Voyager stand together and we see, reflected back at us from of the glass of the viewport, a profile of the object of their attention. We are left with the final image of the crew with Voyager superimposed over them and are left with no doubt that Voyager’s journeys have not ended, but are in fact, just beginning.
I myself have given in and decided to stick mostly with canon info on this (but I didn't use the Admiral Janeway time-travel thingy, I had a PC ship find her and bring her back).
But that aside...
I think Janeway would be promoted to Admiral and offered a teaching post at the Academy.
Chakotay would be given a pardon (along with the rest of the surviving Maquis on Voyager) and promoted to Captain. Waiting for him is the refit and refurbished USS Voyager
Seven of Nine, with the help of Doctor Crusher, would finnaly have her BORG implants removed and go back to using her real name Anika Hansen. That said I can see her attending accelerated Academy training and be given the rank of Lt. Jg.
Harry Kim would be given the promotion he so deserves and look towards eventually becoming Chakotay's XO, but for now he would return to serve as Chief of Ops.
Paris and Tores would retire and go into a private shipwright business, designing custom shuttelcraft or "Hotrods" for sale. On the side they would race around the Federation, wining race after race in their Delta Flyer knock off model.
Tuvok would leave shipboard duty and become attache to Admiral Janeway.
The Doctor would, as others suggest, become a campaigner for Holographic rights. I like the idea of Data supporting him on that one as well
That's all I can think of?
I think the BORG would have been destroyed as well, since all things must eventually end before they become a comic shadow of their former selves.
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Am I the only one who wants to keep the borg? I agree they have become a poor shadow of their former selves in Voyager, probably since Lore got hold of them in TNG actually, but I have to side with a certain Jean-Luc Picard in arguing against the genocide of the entire race.
As I contemplate running my first game as a narrator I've been trying to come up with a way to keep them alive, and a threat, because I still think a borg cube has the most potential for scaring the players silly! I think it could be done too - frankly i never liked the idea of a Borg Queen (too individual) so now thats out of the way i had a few ideas for post-Endgame;
Solutions: I think Janeway said there were 6 or so hubs in the galaxy, so can we presume the others still exist? Many of the drones there would have been wiped out when the pathogen was assimilated into the collective, but maybe some weren't. Maybe it didn't permeate the entire collective before the queen finally croaked, and once she was gone the galaxy-wide collective went silent. Drones can now only "hear" their fellows on the same cube - still a collective, but each cube indepedent. And as individuality has already been spreading throughout the population (since I Borg, Descent and Unimatrix Zero) we could end up with a shared consciousness between a bunch of individual drones rather than a collective hive mind (somewhat like the ex-drones Chakotay met).
Anybody fancy coming up against a Borg Cube, led by a Hirogen drone determined to hunt and assimilate whatever his ship can find, manned by thousands of drones who will actually make an effort to stay alive, defend themselves (and maybe even their shipmates) and generally not act like the Borg you knew and loved?
It kinda keeps to the old ST maxims of transcendence, power of the individual and generally not wiping out entire species whilst avoiding having a boring, familiar adversary which is still a major strategic threat to SF. This way Janeway (who refuses promotion to remain captain of Voyager) et al can get back to exploring without worrying about the Borg but they are still out there for any narrators who fancy throwing their players up against it, but without the need to have the whole UFP suddenly in danger of mass assimilation.
SAVE THE BORG!!!
Ok - feel free to shoot me down in flames now.
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And now....the fish slapping dance.
One side comment on the holographic rights concept as a potential plot thread:
The Doctor was, and still is, a special case. Any true sentience he can be said to have achieved was, near as I can figure it, through a combination of exceeding recommended use limitations (both in time and in degree) and 29th century technology.
Your run of the mill holo-person has no such advantages.
I could see the Federation Council arguing in a special case that The Doctor has achieved sentience and is entitled to the rights of a sentient being; I cannot see this ever being extended realistically to hologram-beings who have not undergone a similar long-term evolution.
(Besides, if it *is* ruled that the Doctor is sentient, Janeway would have to stand *criminal trial* for playing with his programming at least once. How comfy are you *eating* out of that bag of worms, eh?)
The Borg do not deserve to be wiped out in such a way. As said in a previous post they have many other hubs and an impressive amount of drones and ships at their disposal.
In First Contact, the Borg Queen is killed, yet returns. Note: I do not think she can be wiped out of the collective, she even says, I am the one, I am the collective, I bring order to chaos. I'd think her corporal body is destroyed yet her consciousness lives on. She returns to life, albeit with a severely depleted Borg Collective, those renegade Borg having nearly a third of the Collective under their sway. I'd think they'd have a kind of civil war.
As for the crew; The maquis members stand trial for their crimes, they are pardoned and given their own commissions if they so choose.
I like the idea of Torres and Paris opening their own shipbuilding company.
Janeway is promoted to Admiral, but refuses the commission, instead choosing to remain aboard her ship the U.S.S.Voyager.
Chakotay returns to the DMZ along with the rest of the Maquis, they help the colonists rebuild, Chakotay becomes a planetary governor and helps the planets being admitted into the Federation.
Kim finally receives a promotion and is assigned to a new ship under the command of Captain Tuvok who has received treatment and has been given his own command.
The "Doctor", is given the rights of a full sentient being, given his experience in alien physiology, he is given a post at Starfleet Academy teaching Exoanatomy as well as other classes of medicine. HE continues to strive for equal rights for all Holographs, saddly, he is accidently decompiled when staging a holostrike for his oppressed kindred.
The new tech brought by Voyager takes 15 yrs to fully integrate into the Federation systems, while the Borg begin to look more like "One of Borg" through this more adavnced tech and begin experimenting in growing their Borg.
Before I forget, the Bolian Chell, becomes a writer and writes a book entitled: "Voyager:"As Seen through the Eyes of a Maquis".He makes a fortune and lives long and prosper.
Thats my take on what happens immediately after they arrive.
[This message has been edited by Lt.Khrys Antos (edited 08-29-2001).]
1. There was the implication that the Maquis crewmembers would face courtmartial proceedings. This could easily happen. Under the law, the finding would be guilty -- however, sentence could be suspended or waived. Simply put, Voyager wouldn't have lasted six months without Chakotay, Torres, and the others.
2. Janeway may have some complications from her future-self, unless there is some form of verigraphed deposition that gives Starfleet sufficient information to forego charges. The Seska-Kazon problem is a little trickier, but could also be chalked up to something beyond her control.
3. Seven's status would be more problematic, particularly in regard to her fully active nanoprobe/assimilation tubules. There would be some form of administrative hearings - perhaps not unlike 'The Measure of a Man'.
4. The Doctor could become the template for advanced systems design, perhaps even set standards for holographic lifeforms. However, this remains a sticky issue ... what is the criteria for life? Terabytes of storage? Life experience?
4a. The 'holographic laborers' (I still don't like that idea). Was it clear that those holograms were Federation or Starfleet sponsored? What if the holograms were 'acquired' for one purpose, and reprogrammed by an unethical consortium - to mine where neither man or machine could do so safely or economically. Plant a holoemitter, though, and you have instant profit.
5. The weapons/shields from the future. If the DTI doesn't intervene by 'removing' the questionable items, perhaps Janeway herself arranged for them to have a limited function - the torpedo circuitry melts, leaving them unusable and impossible to reconstruct (at least in the immediate future). Same with the shields.
I also did not like the holoprograms used for mining, you'd think that with the advanced technology that they would have more advanced methods of extracting minerals from the soil. Also you may have noticed that the holoprograms were not working very hard, practicaly doing nothing. I stand by my theory that the Medical Doctor is "accidently decompiled" during a strike for his fellow holocomrades.
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