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    ENT warp scale

    Does anyone know if Entrprise NX-01 is using TOS or TNG warp scale?I know what the answer should be...
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    Probably TNG-scale. ENT seems to be gearing towards appealing to fans of the so-called "New Trek"- DS9 and Voyager- so I imagine they would use the same warp scale as those shows.
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    Accually someone did the math, based on dialoge from Broken Bow, they are using TOS (WF^3 x c = v) warp speeds.
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    They've used both scales on the show but from memory I think the TNG one has been used more consistently.
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    Pretty major inconsistency.Oh well.I guess I'll still watch the show.
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    Originally posted by Lowly Uhlan
    Pretty major inconsistency.Oh well.I guess I'll still watch the show.
    Major inconsistency? I don't really care which warp scale they use, or whether they stick to the same rule every time... the important part to me is where they're going, not how fast they're going there or how long it takes them to get there. But others have a different opinion, I suppose.
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    awh come on, how hard would it be for them to stick consistently to a scale? Of course warp speeds in ST have always been plot devices but some consistency wouldn't hurt- it doesn't require a real effort and it doesn't even impede on storytelling.

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    Didn't TNG have a lengthy writers guideline that out lined stuff like that ?Does ENT?I really like the show but I am pretty caught up in minutae like that(just like a lot of us are).Starships and warp drive are just plot vehicles to further the story(getting from A to B)and ST has always been full of inconsistencies -I've accepted all of them and still love it.The warp speed scale is firmly established and official.I can totally accept the way ENT is potraying the ST prehistory and some of it is quite good .I just wish they could get more of the technical matters right.And I am not bashing ENT at all,just one guys opinion.Resonses?
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    Lowly Uhlan, I believe you are allowing the trees to get in the way of the forest.

    Unless you're running an RPG, warp scale doesn't matter. Warp 1 = slow, Warp 5 = fast, everything else is somewhere in between. That's all I care about it.

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    Originally posted by Rayaru
    Unless you're running an RPG, warp scale doesn't matter. Warp 1 = slow, Warp 5 = fast, everything else is somewhere in between. That's all I care about it.
    Even if you're running an RPG, it doesn't matter that much except when you're on a deadline- you've all read the section in the GM help area of the core books where it tells you "not to describe every little detail - if the players are travelling from point a to point b don't describe the whole trip, just say 'you travel from point a to point b'" etc. This may be just me, but I can't remember a time running a Trek RPG, or any other RPG for that matter, where I desperately needed to know how long it took to get from Point A to Point B. I just say "You travel there" and get on with the game.
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    The speeds are fairly close at low warps irregardless of scale any ways.

    Warp 5 TOS = 125
    Warp 5 TNG = 213.7

    Still thats an extra 111.3 ly per year difference
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    Well, you need to know how fast the ship is going to tell them "In about x days/hours/minutes, you arrive at your destination." It's also important in combat situations.
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    I didn't really start worrying about stuff like that until I started running a ST game.I'll be running an ENT episode as a tournament or demo at my LGS annual mini-con.And I don't ever want any of my players to be able to point out that I'm wrong on something like that.Having precise travel times has proven to be important in the series I'm currently running(freighters run on schedules).I know it's not reality,Rayaru but do you think the writers for ENT are aware that there are fans that pay attention to details like that?TOS is my second favorite series so I know that despite inconsistencies (there are many in TOS) I can still enjoy the show.
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    Well, apart from a 2 minutes mistake in Fallen Hero, it seems that they have been fairly consistent with their warp scales, they reached Risa in a couple of months but not a whole year, and I think it is stated that they are somewhere between 90 and 100 ly (I recall 92) so it would have to be TOS scale warp, or they stopped nearly half the time... (they cruise at 4.8)

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    All I really needed was a general consensus of which scale was used.I'll go with TOS.Don't stop debating on my account though.
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