Season Finale Help?

[Captain Zymmer]

Marius Mules? I don't get it...not being a huge Roman-o-phile

Anyone care to explain?

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[SIR SIG]

Well without looking at a book, the rough answer is this.

Gaius Marius was a military dictator before even Caesar himself. c. 200's BC

He made masive reforms to to the Roman Legions, especially the terms of service, standard equipment and pay.

Because the legion were kitted out with everything they would need and there massive discipline toward forced marches c. 30+ miles a day.

Thus the term Marius's Mules was used.

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[ghosty]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SIR SIG:
Well without looking at a book, the rough answer is this.

Gaius Marius was a military dictator before even Caesar himself. c. 200's BC

He made masive reforms to to the Roman Legions, especially the terms of service, standard equipment and pay.

Because the legion were kitted out with everything they would need and there massive discipline toward forced marches c. 30+ miles a day.

Thus the term Marius's Mules was used.
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Gauis Marius came to prominence in Roman history in 107 BC when he was elected Consul (chief executive) of the Roman Republic. The first of an unprecedented 7 consulships.

SIG is right about his military inovations, he recurited Rome's first professional army and he probably invented most of what soldiers of today hate the most, full kit (about 20 KGs) and a daily march of 25+ kilometres. Prior to Marius, Roman legionaries marched with their personal pack mules and slaves slowing the legion's strategic mobility. Marius abolished the personal pack mules assigning one mule to each decury ("squad") of ten men (to carry their tent and other squad items. Since the men had to carry their own gear, they called themselves Marius Mules. Here endeth the lesson.

[Kaiddin]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Marius Mules? I don't get it...not being a huge Roman-o-phile
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We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek.

[SIR SIG]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ghosty:
Gauis Marius came to prominence in Roman history in 107 BC when he was elected Consul (chief executive) of the Roman Republic. The first of an unprecedented 7 consulships.

SIG is right about his military inovations, he recurited Rome's first professional army and he probably invented most of what soldiers of today hate the most, full kit (about 20 KGs) and a daily march of 25+ kilometres. Prior to Marius, Roman legionaries marched with their personal pack mules and slaves slowing the legion's strategic mobility. Marius abolished the personal pack mules assigning one mule to each decury ("squad") of ten men (to carry their tent and other squad items. Since the men had to carry their own gear, they called themselves Marius Mules. Here endeth the lesson.</font>

Like I said, without looking at a book; 100 years out aint so bad
'We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek.

Yeah but only this once

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[Captain Zymmer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kaiddin:
We'll forgive you since you at least like Trek. </font>

Thank you my dark lord



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[Kaiddin]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
Thank you my dark lord
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I knew that Darth Vader's theme plays everytime I enter a room. I thought only women and small children could hear it.

[Phantom]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:

And I am stuck...any help with my SPQMR?

I want to end the Season with them raiding and conquroing Bajor and signing a mutal defense treaty with the Romulans...securring Romulan access to the Gamma Quadrant.


Ideas, opinions, help?

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SPQR-Senatus Populus Que Romanus! I got that.

SPQMR? M=?

Neat idea. I shall have to keep my eye on this.



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[Captain Zymmer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Phantom:
SPQMR? M=?

Neat idea. I shall have to keep my eye on this.</font>

The M stands for Magnus or Magna (not sure if the syntax there) but these are the Magna-Romans

This will be a story arc I run in Season 2 now, and I won't use Bajor, but instead start a tour deforce of TOS races, human looking for sure and some who were not...

The Kappalans, the Elasians, the Troyians, etc...

In fact anyone got a cool list of the non-super powerful TOS races?

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[Phantom]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Captain Zymmer:
The M stands for Magnus or Magna (not sure if the syntax there) but these are the Magna-Romans

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It fits well enough
SPQMR-The Senate and the People of Magna Romanus. I think the latin sounds better in this case.

It was mentioned above that someone was looking for a Roman term for General. Difficult as the term came much later, literally an officer who was in command of an army...generally.

The term Imperator could work, though traditionally a commander could only accept the rank as an honourorium from his men...the army gave him that title. This would allow him to demand a triumph in Rome. The title you are looking for, just hit me while I was watching Gladiator (I love that movie)...That being Dux Bellorum, meaning Great Warrior/Leader of men. I also believe there was a title Magister Militaris, not sure will have to look that last one up. I'll let you know. Basically Master of the Military.



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[SIR SIG]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Phantom:
It fits well enough
SPQMR-The Senate and the People of Magna Romanus. I think the latin sounds better in this case.

It was mentioned above that someone was looking for a Roman term for General. Difficult as the term came much later, literally an officer who was in command of an army...generally.

The term Imperator could work, though traditionally a commander could only accept the rank as an honourorium from his men...the army gave him that title. This would allow him to demand a triumph in Rome. The title you are looking for, just hit me while I was watching Gladiator (I love that movie)...That being Dux Bellorum, meaning Great Warrior/Leader of men. I also believe there was a title Magister Militaris, not sure will have to look that last one up. I'll let you know. Basically Master of the Military.
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I bow in respect to my Roman collegue's military knowledge.

Guess we'll have to start out doing each other again with military history

Let him of easy and let him have a Tribune

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[Phantom]

I think there was also the title Master of the Services, again something I will have to look up. Basically the ranks of General and Admiral rolled into one.

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[Kaiddin]

It depends what phase of the Empire you are dealing with. Dux Bellorum and Dux praefectusque classis are late empire.
Magister Equitum (Master of the horse) was a dictator's lieutenant. I could not find any other military reference for magister in the Republic or early Empire.
IIRC Magister Militum, Equitum and Peditum were after the division of the Empire. Wasn't Stilicho Magister Militum? Anyone a student of the late Empire?

[SIR SIG]

In the reign of Theodosius, Master of the Armed Forces was a important title.

In the times of Constantine the Great, the Master of the Horse (Magister Equitum) and Master of the Foot (Magister Peditum) had been seperate jobs.

But Theodosius combined them into Magister Utriusque Militiae. These appear to be regional ranks for each Province.

In the time of Theodosius's son Honorius, who wasn't much of a soldier. A unified command was needed, and the C in C who automatically received patrician nobel standing. Thus the position corruptly became 'the Patrician'. A older version of this more in line with a honoury command was 'Patricius'.


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[Phantom]

Magister Equitum goes back quite a bit as well, IIRC Marcus Antonious was Caesers Master of the Horse.

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