Jem'Hadar Attack Ship From SS Rebuild Question

[Kodiak]

If this has been covered somewhere else, I apologize. I’m working on a “New Dominion Fleet” as a little after war surprise, and I tried to rebuild the Jem’Hadar Attack ship, but came up 8 spaces short. Can someone point out how I’m wrong?
Thanks!

Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
Size 3
Structure 15
Space Points 39
Impulse: DIIU-3 5
Warp: DIPU-5 5
Atmosphere Capable: 2
Cargo Units: 29
Life Support: Class 3 5
Operations: Class 3 5
Sensor System: Class 3a 4
2xDPB-2 10
PFF-2a (13/1) 6
Perk: 5
-8

[Snake_Plissken]

I redid the math and I'm also "over-budget" although only by 4 pts. Ops and life support cost 4 each (3 basic + 3/2 rounded down = 4); since it's classsified a 'fast' ship it gets a -1 bonus for the warp engines (4 instead of 5) and finally the atmosphere capable option costs 3/2 rounded down (so 1).

Though not technically wrong I also find highly peculiar that it has a -2 helm penalty.

[Kodiak]

Thanks for the recheck, Snake. Can we get an official note on this?

[Ergi]

Originally posted by Snake_Plissken


Though not technically wrong I also find highly peculiar that it has a -2 helm penalty.

I believe they choose this helm modifier to prevent them from succeeding in ramming attacks too often or to have an explanation for the Jem'Hadar not making any use of their "famous" ramming tactic e.g. during the battle for DS9.

[Publius]

Originally posted by Snake_Plissken
Though not technically wrong I also find highly peculiar that it has a -2 helm penalty.

I happen to like the fix that you suggested in a previous post Snake: classifying the Attack Ship as a Heavy fighter for determining the maneuver mods. This was for all intents and puposes how they acted on-screen wasn't it? Big nasty fighters, but fighters nonetheless. In a similar vein, I have readjusted all of the scouts with higher base maneuver mods in my series because I can see no reason for the overall -2 penalty.

[Snake_Plissken]

I believe they choose this helm modifier to prevent them from succeeding in ramming attacks too often or to have an explanation for the Jem'Hadar not making any use of their "famous" ramming tactic e.g. during the battle for DS9.

I can remember at least one occasion where a Jem'Hadar fighter rammed an allied ship; in that case it was a Vor'Cha cruiser and the attack severed on of its wings from the main body. I am sure that there were many other occurences as well.

The negative modifier comes from the fact that fast attack craft are treated as warships. The maneuver modifiers category for warship, I'm prett sure, was intended for large ships like Starfleet explorers or battleships like the D'Deridex- but not light attack crafts. As I once mentionned a fix could either be to treat light attack crafts, which are usually size 3, as escorts, frigates or scouts- or you could use the 'fighter' category. Or then again create a special category for light attack craft.

[Publius]

Originally posted by Snake_Plissken
As I once mentionned a fix could either be to treat light attack crafts, which are usually size 3, as escorts, frigates or scouts- or you could use the 'fighter' category.

:tap: :tap: :tap: Is this thing on?

[Snake_Plissken]

:tap: :tap: :tap: Is this thing on?

LOL!

'testing 1-2 1-2 testing'

[Don Mappin]

I'll take a look. Pretty sure I didn't do this one.

[Kodiak]

Thanks Don.