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It's not going to replace my Tanfoglio Force Compact .45 anytime soon, but this time next week I'll be the proud owner of a Colt 1908 with some very nice real stag grips. Historic Browning pistol designs. Gotta love 'em! A fully functional piece of history that with a little basic care should still be working this time next century.
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While I have little doubt that these quotes in your sig are genuine, they seem out of context to me. Could you please list your sources on those quotes ?Originally posted by Cybrludite
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Gandhi
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - His Holiness, The Dali Lama
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PS: BTW, its DalAI Lama. Dali is an artist.
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Well, hearing such a quote from him is kinda surreal...Originally posted by Ezri's Toy
While I have little doubt that these quotes in your sig are genuine, they seem out of context to me. Could you please list your sources on those quotes ?
Thank you.
PS: BTW, its DalAI Lama. Dali is an artist.Ok, the spelling is fixed. The quote is from when the Dalai Lama was visiting a high school in Seattle sometime after Columbine. A student asked him what she should do if she saw a classmate coming after her with a gun. That's what his response was. Not having a transcript of his visit, I can't say if there was more to it or not. Now, the only book of his I've read in "Ethics For the New Millenium", but I don't recall anything in there saying that you should not protect yourself or others from harm. Rather quite the opposite. I'd also point out that in the quote he says that it's reasonable to shoot back in such a circumstance, but he doesn't say that it's his prefered solution. It would be much preferable to resolve things with no shooting by anyone. As for the Ghandi quote, I ran across it on some big page o' quotes years ago & added it to my tagline file. Hmmn, a quick Googling finds this page. And here is a source for the Dalai Lama's quote. He seems to favor shooting to wound. (Not a good idea, IMHO)
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Congrats on the gat. My bits o' history are two Webley MKVI revovlers in .455 (1918 press) and .45ACP conversion (1919). I also have a .38 Webley MKIII from the Royal Ulster Constabulatory (1898 press). All shoot phenomenally. Can't top double pressure proofing, baby.
As for the Tanfoglio: had the exact same gun and sold it in time of financial distress...kicked myself ever since. Hang onto man! Current carry piece is a Walther P99 in .40S&W. Highly recommend the weapon; I traded an H&K USP for it, it's that good.
As for the Ghandi quote, I seem to remember it having to do with the disarming laws in the 1920s in India, about the same time as the initial gun bans in the UK (done to protect the poweful from all those revolutionaries of the period. All those unwashed masses breaking wind in the halls of the mighty...ew!) It's a legit one; I've seen it before.
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Gotta love the .455 Webley round. "It describes a gentle arc toward the target, which it then tries to push out of its way."Of course, .25 ACP is still more anemic, but I'm getting the 1908 (This one made in 1912, according to the serial number) more as a collectible. If I'm dealing with a goblin, I've got my .45 or a selection of shotguns. (Or, if I've got a week's head start to get it loaded, a repro of a Colt Dragoon #1
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Actually, has about the same stopping power as a .380acp. And the boys what trained showed us it doesn't matter what the caliber is; most people don't want to play after the first shot. .455 got a lot more juice than most yanks give it credit for...and you can always clock the person with the 400 lbs o' metal.Originally posted by Cybrludite
...I've fired the American version of the .38 Webley, .38 S&W. Better than shooting spit-balls at an intruder, but not by much...
"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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.380 ACP has stopping power?Originally posted by qerlin
Actually, has about the same stopping power as a .380acp. And the boys what trained showed us it doesn't matter what the caliber is; most people don't want to play after the first shot.
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I have a Taurus Mod.66 4" .357 Mag, and a Glock 22 .40S&W. I carry the Glock to work, with two spare magazines. I work for an armored car service.
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Both good choices, tm. Try the Walther P99 sometime; can't recommend it enough.
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While I am not anti-firearms, I do think it is a bit misleading to refer to a firearm as a toy as in the title of this thread.
That said I have fired a number of handguns as an actor, and have to say that given the size of my hand only a Dessert eagle (any) and the Styer GB look good in my hand
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True enough. My bias against itty-bitty calibers is to blame. Despite the fact that it's a gun I could conceal while skyclad & chambered for a round that would be under-powered against a fierce preadator (like, say, a Yorkie), it's not a toy by any stretch of the imagination. As I mentioned in an earlier thread (About an Onion article, actually), my family's quite strict on gun safety.Originally posted by AslanC While I am not anti-firearms, I do think it is a bit misleading to refer to a firearm as a toy as in the title of this thread.
I've got the same problem. Even with full sized autos like a Browning High-Power or a Baretta 96, I end up with my pinky under the grip. Main reason I can comfortably hold the 1908 Colt is because of the thick stag grips someone put on it years ago. (Stag grips being polished antler cut to shape for replacing the wood or plastic on the handle of a pistol)That said I have fired a number of handguns as an actor, and have to say that given the size of my hand only a Dessert eagle (any) and the Styer GB look good in my hand
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Nah...everything's a toy. Guns. Knives. Motorcycles. Car. Those spinny thngs on the ends of airplane engines that make 'em go...Originally posted by AslanC
While I am not anti-firearms, I do think it is a bit misleading to refer to a firearm as a toy ...
"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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Waaaay back when I was in the Canadian Armed Forces Primary Reserves (Land), I got to play with some of Mr. Browning's nifty toys, including the Inglis/Browning High-Power 9mmP pistol, the M2HB and the GPMG C1 (a M1919 .30 machinegun remanufactured in 7.62mm Nato). I also used the SMG C1 (Canadian version of the Sterling), and the FNC1A1 and FNC2A1 (Canadian battle rifle and support versions of the FN FAL). Never got to use the Minimi (C9 machine gun) or the Mattel-16 (C7 assault rifle) - after my time. I was one of the first people to take the Militia Small Arms Coach course. That fall I got to see Star Wars (no bloody IV, V, VI, I or II) in its first run, and was vastly amused by the Stormtroopers' blasters...
While I agree that these are serious weapons, they are also "toys" in the broad metaphorical sense of the word - they just happen to be very serious toys.
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Qerlin, do you have any idea how many people have been killed or mutilated by the spinny things on airplane engines? I used to own an airplane with a weak battery and had to start it with the Mk I "Armstrong" Starter System (switch off, throttle open, PULL, switch on, "Contact!", HEAVE) and I heard all kinds of horror stories about pilots and mechanics who stumbled or slipped the wrong way. Treat that spinny thing like a loaded gun with no safety.
Going even further off-topic, my flight engineer class had a 50 question test on the C-130 propeller system today. Guess who scored 100%?
So, back to the topic at hand. I'd like to have a black-powder blunderbuss pistol. Why, for home defense, of course.
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Black powder replica that fires? Maybe $200-300, non-firing $150 from collector's armory. The firing ones I'd search black power pistol on the internet. Should get you started.Originally posted by Sarge
I'd like to have a black-powder blunderbuss pistol. Why, for home defense, of course.
Pirate pistols were usually between .50 and .78 caliber. Hellish recoil. Loads of smoke. PRetty friggin' cool.
"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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