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Thread: 10 Lessons from Nemesis

  1. 06-04-2003, 10:39 AM #16
    qerlin
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    Originally posted by Lt Cmdr Matt
    My dad is friends with this woman who is friends with another woman who is personal friends of B&B. The personal friend of B&B told me to submit a script...so I am working on one for Enterprise aswell.
    Wouldn't get your hopes up. Mine has actually gotten to the story editor -- a huge shock to me for the reasons HC specified -- but I doubt they'll take it. (Though if they do, I'll be pretty durned happy.)

    Got a couple of movie specs nearly done, though a lot of the time, it seems better to do a synopsis and register it with the WGA before you submit. You've CYA'd andyou get paid for the idea; they'll normally shop the script in house, nowadays.

    The best place for a full-fledged spec sript seems to be the indie end of the film biz...but 1/2 the movies made there die in the pre-production, 1/2 of the rest die in production. Film/TV, if you can bust in, is good money (much better than print media)...that's why it's so hard to bust in.
    "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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  2. 06-04-2003, 10:49 AM #17
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    At least I wouldn't have portrayed the Romulans as 3rd rate, know nothing, unsubtle, incompetent morons.
    you're over-reacting buddy.
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  3. 06-04-2003, 12:26 PM #18
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    Originally posted by Snake_Plissken
    you're over-reacting buddy.
    That's nothing new.

    But, how am I over-reacting in this case? That is, in my opinion, how they were portrayed. The Romulans have always been the "unseen enemy" in the series. In Nem they were neutered to the point of being a "damsel in distress" plot device.
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  4. 06-04-2003, 12:47 PM #19
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    That was certainly one of the weaknesses in Nemesis. The Romulans weren't portrayed true to type. Devious yes. Sharpest knives in the drawer? Sadly not. Unfortunately, this is an increasingly common problem with Trek bad guys.

    Personally, while I enjoyed the Nemesis, I really fail to see why the Remans were even necessary. Shinzon could just as easily have been an celebrated Romulan Officer, the Romulan equivalent of Picard.

    Ah well.
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  5. 06-04-2003, 01:13 PM #20
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    Originally posted by Capt Daniel Hunter
    Shinzon could just as easily have been an celebrated Romulan Officer, the Romulan equivalent of Picard.

    Ah well.
    This would have made a whole lot more sense. AFAIC.
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  6. 06-04-2003, 01:49 PM #21
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    Think I've got to agree with phantom on this one: the Rommies were badly written; Shinzon should have been Romulan (at least he will be in our version of Nemesis coming up in our campaign -- it's a Rommie military coup. And no Scimitar with the superweapon crap.)
    "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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  7. 06-04-2003, 02:06 PM #22
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    Originally posted by qerlin
    Think I've got to agree with phantom on this one: the Rommies were badly written; Shinzon should have been Romulan (at least he will be in our version of Nemesis coming up in our campaign -- it's a Rommie military coup. And no Scimitar with the superweapon crap.)
    That is pretty much the I plan to continue my Romulan game, as well.
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  8. 06-04-2003, 02:14 PM #23
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    Originally posted by Phantom
    That is pretty much the I plan to continue my Romulan game, as well.
    Waitaminute! We agree on something! Detente in action, baby!

    "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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  9. 06-04-2003, 02:40 PM #24
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    Well I default to canon for my campaign, so I'll be going with events as seens onscreen

    However, the scenario above is better than the movie. All 3 of us agree. How scary is that

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    First off, allow me to apologize to T'lara for offending her sensibilities. I was very aware that this was a humor thread...otherwise, I would not have preambled the way I did.

    And Hugh put it best, weez cool here.

    However, T'lara is right....the can of worms I accidentally opened should be reserved for another more serious thread. Hugh's intention was levity, and as such, I wholeheartedly apologize for the tangent I took.

    Hugh, peace m' brotha.

    Respectfully,
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    Originally posted by qerlin
    Waitaminute! We agree on something! Detente in action, baby!
    You know it.
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    Originally posted by Capt Daniel Hunter
    How scary is that ..?
    Please ignore that rumbling sound...it's just the end of the world.
    "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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  13. 06-04-2003, 10:49 PM #28
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    Shinzon should have been Romulan (at least he will be in our version of Nemesis coming up in our campaign -- it's a Rommie military coup. And no Scimitar with the superweapon crap.)
    While I don't have nowhere near a problem with how the Romulans were portrayed in Nemesis as a lot of people seem to have, I have to concede that the concept above would have been far more better.
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    You know, when I first heard about the concept of Nemesis and Picard being pitted against an ennemy from Romulus who had "a very special reason to be a villain", I had the weirdest (if completely unrealistic) idea : that the villain in Nemesis would be... Spock. Who of course would not be really a villain, but seemingly pursuing a villainous motives for quite logical reasons of his own (maybe eventually sacrifying himself or helping the crew against another danger).

    Apart from that nonsense, I also think it would have been fun to see Sela - if only for the "goodbye y'all, here's the whole cast" factor of the movie. She could have been the villain or just have the role of Commander Donatra (with only minor modifications, it would have fitted perfectly IMHO).

    Oh well. Nemesis won't be my favourite Trek movie, but it was fun to watch anyway.
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    Originally posted by Liz Not Beth

    Ok, lets see you do better!
    I'm sorry to break it to you, Liz, but 4th-graders on LSD could have made a better movie than this.

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