Kings and Stewards

[Jason Durall]

Originally posted by Doug Burke
Yes, there's been a couple of changes. Check out the official Support Documents.

I notice that the ones here are a bit out of date. Could they be updated?

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Doug Burke

1) CRF: "Page 44: Attributes cannot be higher than 12 + Racial Modifiers at any time, except for certain spells which may temporarily increase an Attribute."

Also, I believe the Two Towers Sourcebook will have a rule for exceeding the racial norm for your Favoured Attributes (and only your favoured attributes).

2) Actually, the Rohirrim were more Norse than Saxon, at least they seemed so to me. Swords were very common, but so were spears (or lances).

3) I would suggest possibly putting a footnote on the stats indicating that the skills are the total (modified) values.

1) Ok, but it still doesn't tell me how Arwen can have a 15 Brg, unless Brg is one of her favoured attributes...Which is possible I suppose, she would be a Noble.

2) I thought so as well. Until I saw the TTT display in Toronto. The armour and weapon designs were definetly inspired by the artifacts found at Sutton Hoo in Britain, a Saxon burial site. Eomer's helm is almost a direct copy of the Saxon King's helm found there. But, I guess it is a matter of personal opinion.

3) I was thinking the samething.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Jason Durall
I notice that the ones here are a bit out of date. Could they be updated?

Could what be updated?

[Jason Durall]

Originally posted by Phantom
Could what be updated?

The official support documents, as referred to in the quote above my post.

[Doug Burke]

Originally posted by Jason Durall
I notice that the ones here are a bit out of date. Could they be updated?

Yeah, I keep forgetting to update the ones here. I'll try to get it done this weekend.

[Doug Burke]

Originally posted by Phantom
1) Ok, but it still doesn't tell me how Arwen can have a 15 Brg, unless Brg is one of her favoured attributes...Which is possible I suppose, she would be a Noble.

Bingo!

2) I thought so as well. Until I saw the TTT display in Toronto. The armour and weapon designs were definetly inspired by the artifacts found at Sutton Hoo in Britain, a Saxon burial site. Eomer's helm is almost a direct copy of the Saxon King's helm found there. But, I guess it is a matter of personal opinion.

True. And it's not like I claim to be any sort of Tolkien scholar...

3) I was thinking the samething.

You know what they say. Great minds, same gutter.

[Liquidator Queeg]

Originally posted by Phantom
2) I thought so as well. Until I saw the TTT display in Toronto. The armour and weapon designs were definetly inspired by the artifacts found at Sutton Hoo in Britain, a Saxon burial site. Eomer's helm is almost a direct copy of the Saxon King's helm found there. But, I guess it is a matter of personal opinion.

I went to the two exhibits here in Toronto as well (btw, the one at Casa Loma in 2001 was much better than the one at the Planetarium last year!), and I'd have to agree with Phantom's assesment of the Rohirrim weapon design. Mind you, the artisans and designers may have wanted to deliberately steer clear of anything that "looked too viking like", so I guess it really is just a case of personal taste.

Cheers,

Steve

[ben hur]

You Canadians are so lucky and so awesome.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Phantom
1) Ok, but it still doesn't tell me how Arwen can have a 15 Brg, unless Brg is one of her favoured attributes...Which is possible I suppose, she would be a Noble.

But, then by extention, Thengel could achieve the same thing as he to is a Noble with Brg as a fav att.

[Phantom]

Ok, I think we have Thengel hammered out now. If anyone has any other ideas I would like to hear them, but I think I have him at a satisfactory level.

So, onto the next side of the coin...The Ruling Steward of Gondor.

Again comments welcome.


Name: Ecthelion II, son of Turgon, 25th Steward of Gondor.
Order:Loremmaster, Noble, Captain
Race: Dunedain
Racial Abilities: Adaptable (+2 Stamina), Dominion of Man, Skilled (+1 Ranged Combat, +1 Debate.)
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Height: 6'
Weight: 225 lbs
Hair: Black
Eyes: Hazel
Home: Minas Tirith
Family: Married, Son Denethor
Advancements: 21
Order Abilities: Ancient Scripts, Scroll Hoard, Expertise (Gondor), Courtier, Deference, Domain (Gondor)Noble Mien, Air of Command, Leadership

Attributes
Bearing*-------12-------+3
Nimbleness----10-------+2
Perception-----11-------+2
Strength---------9-------+1
Vitality---------11-------+2
Wits*-----------13-------+3

Skills:
Armed Combat: Blades (Eket) +8, Climb +2, Debate (Negotiate, Parley) +5, Games (chess) +3, Healing (Treat Illness) +4, Inquire +3 (Converse), Insight +5, Inspire +4, Lang.:Adunaic +5, Lang: Quenya +4, Lang: Rohiric +4, Lang: Sindarin +4, Lang: Westron +6, Lore: Gondorian Nobility +6, Lore: Heraldry +5, Lore: History (Gondor) +6, Lore: History (Minas Tirith) +6, Lore: Realm (Gondor) +6, Observe (Spot) +3, Perform ( Compose Verse) +4, Persuade (Oratory) +5, Ranged Combat: Bows (Long Bow) +2, Ride (Horse) +4, Run +3, Search +4, Siegecraft (Defense) +3, Swim +2, Weather-Sense +2

Edges:
Command 4 (Tower Guard), Curious, Healing Hands, Hoard 5, Honey Tongued, Honour’s Insight, Rank 4 (Steward of Gondor) Wise

Flaws:
Duty (to the People of Gondor), Proud

Reactions
Stamina: +4
Swiftness: +2
Willpower: +3
Wisdom: +3*

Defence: 10
Health: 13

Courage: 4
Renown: 13

Note:
-Attributes were rolled, no picks added as yet.
-Skills show only the skill level.
-Age was arbitraily arrived at, couldn't find exact number.

[Phantom]

So, does the silence mean everyone agrees with the way Ecthelion II was done?

[Jason Durall]

Originally posted by Phantom
So, does the silence mean everyone agrees with the way Ecthelion II was done?

I haven't had a chance to look at him with my rulebook handy, and won't have one until after Gen Con, sadly.

I am a little surprised about his attributes, though... did you use some "best of three" system for rolling them?

Additionally, his reactions seem awfully low for a 21-advancement character.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Jason Durall
1) I haven't had a chance to look at him with my rulebook handy, and won't have one until after Gen Con, sadly.

2) I am a little surprised about his attributes, though... did you use some "best of three" system for rolling them?

3) Additionally, his reactions seem awfully low for a 21-advancement character.

1) Did you lend it to someone? Or are you accessing the internet on another console?

2) Actually, no 9 rolls best 6. I was kind of using the random method to prove a point, the one started with Thengel showing that the random method can create fairly powerful characters, giving credence to Thengel's original stats. I was surprised it worked as it did.

3) That would be because I forgot to add to them. Oopps, I 'll look into that. Thanks.


BTW, not part of the general idea presented here, but has anyone (fan or Dec) done the stats for Gamling(?) Theoden's bodyguard?

[Jason Durall]

Originally posted by Phantom
Did you lend it to someone? Or are you accessing the internet on another console?

Moving from one apartment to another in a week - and I am at work now - so my rulebook is not only at home 5 miles away from me, it is packed in a box and will stay there until August 1.