The Nazgul - comented

[Helegond]

Hi there!

I'm coming with this thread to see your views about some discussions...

Don't know if anyone here ever played the I.C.E. Merp, or the GameSystems Middle-Earth PBM. So, this can be a good information...otherwise, just trash...

I'm going to post some information regarding the 9 Nazgûl, with names (YES, NAMES! ) and a brief history.

The Witch-King - Er-Mûrazor ("Dark Prince")
He was the second child of Tar-Ciryatan, and a prince of Númenor. Was born in 1820, SA.

The Dragon Lord - Khamûl
Son of a Easterling Lord, Khamûl (sometimes called Komûl) was born in 1744, SA.

The Dog-Lord - Dendra Dwar
Dendra Dwar was the lord of war dogs, in his youth.
Conquered many foes using an army with war dogs (thousands of them). Was born in SA 1949.

Jí Indûr, the cloud lord
Jí Indûr was born in 1955, SA. He was a lord of Mûmakan, an old city of the south.

Akhorahil, the Blind Sorcerer
Son of Tar-Ciryatan's brother, exchanged his eyes for two precious gems, the "Pit Eyes", wich gave him
the power to call upon sorcery. Was born in 1988, SA.

Hoarmûrath, the Ice King
Born in SA 1954. He was from a noble family, in the kingdom of Urd.

Adûnaphel, the Quiet Avenger
Born in SA, 1823. The only woman of the Úlairi, she was born in Forostar, in Númenor.

Ren, the Fire King
Born in SA, 1969. Son of an ilusionist, he became mad with the plague.

Ûvatha, the long rider
Born in SA, 1970. Born in a cave, son of a Variag Lord.

Well, that's it. They have MUCH more history, with much intricated fate with Sauron itself. But I don't like the idea of one female Nazgûl...not for being a woman, of course, but because Tolkien always said they were 9 kings of men.

Regards,

Helegond

[Helegond]

Damn!

54 views, no comments? I must retire myself...I'm not worthy...

Hello there, guy...say something...like "You stupid, Tolkien never said anything like that!!!" or "Oh, ugly thing...a female Nazgûl???"



Cheers,

Helegond

[ben hur]

"Oh, ugly thing... a female Nazgul?!?"

Dude, that would be odd if there was a female Nazgul. I don't want to even think about it.

But ignoring that, I'd say it's quite, quite interesting to speculate, invent, discuss, and so on, the histories of the Nazgul. They are just such awesome creations.

[Jason Durall]

Originally posted by Helegond
Damn!

54 views, no comments? I must retire myself...I'm not worthy...

Hello there, guy...say something...like "You stupid, Tolkien never said anything like that!!!" or "Oh, ugly thing...a female Nazgûl???"

Well, I for one applaud MERP for having done such interesting work (though the thought of a Nazgal - bleaahch!), though I think they went too far in trying to make each of them special and interesting - they're more of a rogue's gallery than a doomed clique of ancient kings.

However, without access to the works these appeared in, just having names and a brief description isn't really useful. If as a GM I want to use their pasts in some significant way, I'd need much more than that, or I'd just make it up myself.

I do have the MERP book these guys appeared in - but I would prefer to keep their origins shrouded in mystery - as if a part of the curse of the Rings was that they dimmed the memories of all that they once were. Just as their Rings cloak them from sight, so have they been cloaked from history, which is why much of the history of the Twenty Rings of Power is known to only a few of the Wise.

[GavynnAlexander]

I think that there was a reason that Tolkien did not name them. Maybe he would have had to establish them eventually, the more and more he wrote, but not at this point. I am also against a "Nazgal" (hey hey I like that). They were KINGS it said. Still, I have the old MERP stuff too, and am fond of some of the stuff they did.

You could take a little of this and make it into an adventure though. Maybe a game could revolve around discovering bit by bit who one of the Nazgul was. Hmmm. I am sure that there is something that one could do with this. That Nazgul would be the enemy of the game trying to prevent something from his passed from being put together....

Maybe the Nazgul does not even know (because he does not remember who he was) that it is he who the PC are investigating. OR, the adventure could start out by just investigating the ruins of a downfallen kingdom. Something happens that they have to put together or solve (as always) and they end up discovering that this kingdom's fate was darker than they would have imagined - as its last king was one of the Nine corrupted kings!

I know that there is a game in there somewhere - My creativity must just not be moving.

Later,
Gavynn

[Mitchell]

I'm planning to use Andunaphel in a game I'm playing.