James Kirk Vs Picard...GRRRRRRR

[BouncyCaitian]

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Ramp...7/krkbest.html

Hmm..someone likes kirk better...but this list is pretty funny.

[Ergi]

1675! Normally I wouldn't say this about anybody, but the person responsible for that list has to get a life.

And besides, Picard rules!

[Ramage]

Pfuh!

Both sides are wrong, anyway!

The only true captain is Sisko!

[REG]

If you like those starfleet bunnies, then Sisko is the better choice.

I would have chosen Kor. His sacrifice saved both Worf and now-Chancellor of the Klingon Empire, Martok.

[C5]

Gnaaah. Picard rules
Nah

[ComaBoy]

Without expressing a preference for any Captain, the big distinction was that Kirk could find a way out whatever trouble he put himself and the crew into while Picard was smart enough to avoid the trouble in the first place.

[ducks for cover!]

[General Chang]

Ah...the Kirk/Picard debate rears its ugly head once more.

I have to agree that although Picard was my fave captain at the time....Sisko RULZ!

(stands bravely awaiting the tomato barrages to follow)


Respectfully,
General Chang

[General Chang]

I just read part of the list. Yep...somebody needs a life.

Chang

[Sea Tyger]

Originally posted by General Chang

(stands bravely awaiting the tomato barrages to follow)

Right!

Ready on the left!

Ready on the right!

Ready on the firing line!

Release....

wait for it.....

Tomatoes!

[General Chang]

Ugh! Okay, who hit me with the apple?!

Respectfully,
General Chang

[Sea Tyger]

Independent Fire at Will!

(soldier, smiling) That was right nice of him.
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Okay, now that my Royal Army Corps of Tomato Lobbers are performing their duties, let me jump in on the debate.

Kirk rules!

There, I'm OT.

hehe....I've always liked Kirk best, mostly because that's who I grew up with. I enjoyed Patrick Stewart as an actor and a Brit (hey, I'm an Anglophile), and, to be honest, Picard wasn't really that bad...he just reflected the style of commander that you would see in a more modern navy (as opposed to the captain of a ship at the height of the Age of Exploration).

Sisko was a good wartime commander, and that's why people think he's the closest to Kirk in intestinal fortitude. Janeway....well, I just think Janeway is a psychopath who somehow slipped through the system....and her boxed pips were just the only way to get her out of the captains chair, where she can't do any more real harm.

Archer, to me, is more like Kirk, which, I think, is intentional. He is the quintessential explorer, forging a new path (something that Kirk didn't always do...since many of the places the Enterprise visited were places that had already been discovered/contacted (and ultimately grandfathered in before the Prime Directive).

[C5]

What I couldn't bear in Kirk was the way he was too often presented as being THE ultimate Captain, the only one able to command the ship and make decisions. I particularly hated when he reminded his shipmates that he was the one in command (like "since when has this ship become a democracy ?" or "yeah, that's democracy for you people" - I mean, hey! either StarFleet is a purely military organisation with the Captain being the one making the decision, and then we wonder why Chekov or Uhura tried to volunteer an opinion in the first place, or everybody can give one's opinion, and then Kirk is just being a jerk).

In short, I hate perfect people, and I hate them more when they and the story constantly remind us that they are so. That's also why I like Kirk much more in the movies (and, for a reason I can't quite understand, in the novels - maybe I juste don't like Shatner after all ).

Picard, OTOH, always appeared to me as much more human and caring for his crew, and being a Renaissance man helps also (BTW this has nothing to do with Picard being French - if anything, I see him more as a perfect British gentleman, except in TNG first season, when he manages to blend the more annoying traits of Kirk with no redeeming quality whatsoever) .

Sisko was cool, but could lose his self control much more easily than any of the two other - and I also never got the impression that he was really caring for his crew (maybe this has to do with the fact that we see much less "extra" personel in DS9 - most of the characters we see are either the regular cast or the re occurring cast members). OTOH, he's the only one to be a father, and was good at it.

I knew Janeway for only two seasons, but I rather liked her - she appeared a bit like the mother of the crew, having to make tough decisions while keeping her feminine sensibility. Of course, I'm probably the only one in Trekdom thinking that

I have to see more ENT to comment on Archer - but so far I'm rather ok with him. He's a bit like Kirk, but without all the confidence and knowledge - making him far more prone to be in awe of what he discovers and much less sure of his judgement.

Mmmhh... ok, let's stop babbling. Now I'm waiting for the tomatoes

[REG]

Originally posted by General Chang

I just read part of the list. Yep...somebody needs a life.

Why? Are you miffed that I prefer Kor over Chang?

[General Chang]

REG, how dare you pick Kor over Chang?!

Er...wait a minute....even I like Kor over Chang!


Aghhhh.............

WANTED:
A life.

LOL!

Really though, I do like Kor a lot. In the original series he was this shrewd, scheming governor/commander who in many situations seemed to be one step ahead of Kirk. And then, by DS9 he became this lovable lush who ultimately came through when it counted.

So, I raise my ghoptu to Kor, DaHar Master of the Klingons!
Q'apla!

And of course, a moment of remembrance for the late, great John Colicos who gave Kor life.

Respectfully,
General Chang

[BouncyCaitian]

Originally posted by C5
What I couldn't bear in Kirk was the way he was too often presented as being THE ultimate Captain, the only one able to command the ship and make decisions. I particularly hated when he reminded his shipmates that he was the one in command (like "since when has this ship become a democracy ?" or "yeah, that's democracy for you people" - I mean, hey! either StarFleet is a purely military organisation with the Captain being the one making the decision, and then we wonder why Chekov or Uhura tried to volunteer an opinion in the first place, or everybody can give one's opinion, and then Kirk is just being a jerk).

Funny. Kirk reminded me of many sienor officers I've run into. Star Fleet ISN'T a democracy. It is a military organization. Kirk does listen, but when he's made up his mind, he goes to it. Snap decision makers are like that.

In short, I hate perfect people, and I hate them more when they and the story constantly remind us that they are so. That's also why I like Kirk much more in the movies (and, for a reason I can't quite understand, in the novels - maybe I juste don't like Shatner after all ).

Kirk? Perfect? yah right.

Picard, OTOH, always appeared to me as much more human and caring for his crew, and being a Renaissance man helps also (BTW this has nothing to do with Picard being French - if anything, I see him more as a perfect British gentleman, except in TNG first season, when he manages to blend the more annoying traits of Kirk with no redeeming quality whatsoever) .

Picard was almost never invited to anything involved with the personal lives of his crew. And doen't get me started on his take on the prime directive. A few times it made my blood boil. While an excellent diplomat, he was not exactly inspiring.

Sisko was cool, but could lose his self control much more easily than any of the two other - and I also never got the impression that he was really caring for his crew (maybe this has to do with the fact that we see much less "extra" personel in DS9 - most of the characters we see are either the regular cast or the re occurring cast members). OTOH, he's the only one to be a father, and was good at it.

Sisko was something of a darker character, with a few flaws. but he did try to overcome them. which makes him better than most.

I knew Janeway for only two seasons, but I rather liked her - she appeared a bit like the mother of the crew, having to make tough decisions while keeping her feminine sensibility. Of course, I'm probably the only one in Trekdom thinking that

I like Kate Mulgrew. I do NOT like Janeway, who just rubbed me the wrong way. I think it was that 'We Are From France', exceedingly voice that drove me up the wall. Or maybe the Janeway/Seven show that did it. Or maybe it was "the '37's' episode that did it.

I have to see more ENT to comment on Archer - but so far I'm rather ok with him. He's a bit like Kirk, but without all the confidence and knowledge - making him far more prone to be in awe of what he discovers and much less sure of his judgement.

Archer was grade-a whiner starting off, but It's nice to see the writers (Bring back Ira Behr and michael piller, damnit!) have finally given him some steel in his spine. Hopefully this trend continues

Mmmhh... ok, let's stop babbling. Now I'm waiting for the tomatoes