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[C5]

Interesting... a thread gone completely off topic without the slightest mention of SMITEs....

[Ezri's Toy]

Originally posted by Rancid
#3 - . . .I would rank the shows in my opinion in the following order...

#1 DS9
#2 Enterprise
#3 Voyager
#4 TNG
#5 Anything else for trek
#100000000000 Star Trek : TOS (totally horrible show, and the actors are a bunch of morons) [/B]

First, don't pick fights you can't win; Next, don't pick fights at all _here._ Your post, as well as the sig to which you responded, are obvious flame-war bait. That said:

Let me guess: You're under the age of 25, can't remember a time period when CDs, cell phones, and home computers didn't exist, and therefore can't understand the original series in context as a direct commentary on the social and political fabric of the turbulent 1960s.

Modern incarnations of Star Trek rarely venture into social or political commentary while TOS did it regularly and did it well. The original Star Trek had the guts to speak its mind in a time when network censors were cancelling controversial shows like "The Smothers Brothers" solely on the basis of its social or political content. "Daring" or "courageous" can hardly be applied to modern incarnations of Trek.

[Dan Gurden]

OK, its looking like time to either moderate or move this thread.

Ezri, that was an uneccesary hostile post to an off-topic slant, please either cease this direction and get back onto miatures (as several posters have asked), or take this discussion over to the General char=t area if you want to criticise the content of someone signature?

Thanks.

[Liz Not Beth]

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[Ezri's Toy]

Originally posted by Dan Gurden
OK, its looking like time to either moderate or move this thread.

Ezri, that was an unneccesary hostile post to an off-topic slant, please either cease this direction and get back onto miniatures (as several posters have asked), or take this discussion over to the General chart area if you want to criticise the content of someone signature?

Thanks.

In my opinion, I think the original sig in question as well as Rancid's response to it are equally hostile, equally unnecessary, and are specifically designed to provoke a hostile reaction. Therefore, it is my opinion that if blame and corrections are to be assigned, then it should also be done equally.

In any case, I've said all I needed to say, so you'll hear no more from me on this topic.

[StyroFoam Man]

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[Dan Gurden]

As this thread stopped being about miniatures a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. And the only posts after the admin warning were arguing the toss or continuing the personal sig hits...

I have carried out the threat of moving this thread.

Apologies for anyone that actually wanted to talk about miniatures, but it appears that Ezri, Styro and Liz would rather keep this matter off topic.

[Setvenharis]

This is getting ridiculous now. Is this a forum where topics go "off topic" 3 or 4 posts in???

[Liz Not Beth]

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[Snake_Plissken]

%&(*&ing trek-bashers. Go make your own TV show.

Styro, you made my day

[JonA]

I second Snake's comment.

Life is so short.

[StyroFoam Man]

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[byteknight]

Originally posted by Rancid
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#100000000000 Star Trek : TOS (totally horrible show, and the actors are a bunch of morons) [/B]

Horrible? Morons?

Easy, Tiger. Them's fighting words.

I grew up with TOS and it sure beats TNG and all it's offspring, in my opinion. Yet, I don't call TNG horrible or the actors morons.

You weren't "there," so you have no idea what Star Trek meant to people in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

Perhaps in 20 years time, when Star Trek: The NEXT Next Generation (TNNG) comes out and kids say TNG was crap compared to TNNG, you'll see what I mean.

It's always the johnny-come-latelys who denigrate things that have gone on before them.

[Rancid]

actually i was there in the 70's and still think the same way. I dont know how trek fans can like the actors when multiples of them have been quoted as putting down ST fans. And i dont hate all the actors just mostly, shatner, nimoy and defforest-kelly (who is dead and that didnt hurt my feelings at all)

I understand the importance of the first show, just the attitudes of these 3 actors ruins it for me.

[Ezri's Toy]

Originally posted by Rancid
. . . . I dont know how trek fans can like the actors when multiples of them have been quoted as putting down ST fans. . . .)

Y'know, I'm now 33 and I've been an ST fan since I was 14. In that time, I must have seen and read numerous interviews and read all the behind-the-scenes books and articles. With the exception of Shatner's "Get A Life" SNL sketch, and a few Shatner anecdotes from acquaintances, I've never seen nor read any statement nor seen nor heard account of any behavior from any TOS actor that put down Star Trek fans.

Nimoy was always a bit aloof and more interested in more 'serious' art (whatever that is.) Now that he's semi-retired and the Spock character is 100% behind him, he's more interested in his photography

DeForest Kelley was an old-school Southern Gentleman and would never have been so rude as to put down anyone regardless of what his opinion was.

The one original series actor that loves the fans to pieces is George Takei; He loves attending conventions, talking with fans, and appreciates the acting opportunities his Star Trek celebrity has brought him. He genuinely likes the fans. In fact, Mr. Takei once wrote a personal 'Thank You' letter to one of my friends just because my friend retrieved a fresh newspaper for him at a convention.

The accounts of friction between the actors during the production of the original series are now well-known. (And, really, who gets along with ALL of one's co-workers ?) But, I've not seen anything against the fans from any of the original series actors (with the exception of Shatner.)

Now, if you want to talk anti-fannishness, take Jeri Ryan and some of her snide post-Voyager interviews. . . .