LUG and Canon...

[Sarge]

SJohn: McCoy's decision to stop Kirk from saving Edith Keeler? Now that's what I call a continuity lapse!

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LUGTrek isn't really dead. Not as long as we remember it.

[Sjohn]

SJohn: McCoy's decision to stop Kirk from saving Edith Keeler? Now that's what I call a continuity lapse!

D'oh!

[Greg Smith]

[quote]Originally posted by Sjohn:
But you are in the majority.

I'm a lifelong hardcore Trek junkie [quote]
Okay, I that the majoriy of viewers aren't bothered about continuity.

Most of the people who watch Trek are not hard-core fans.

True. But I am a hard core fan. I could care less about canon because I'm a hardcore fan.

If you think a concern for continuuity and "hardcore" equate to one another, you have a pretty frightening view of Trek fandom. Some of us care more about Trek's themes, vision, and ethos than trivial details about set designs, prop consistency, and hull numbers.

I have to agree with you there.

But to suggest that "hardcore" equates to "gives a damn about whether or not stardates mean anything" is so creepy it's downright chilling. It's like that kid on Trekkies with the uniform fetish (brrr).

Okay, maybe my definition of "hardcore" and yours obviously don't coincide.

And my original post did imply that there were only hardcore fans (my definition-who are bothered about continuity etc) and casual viewers.

So I apologise if I upset you by grouping you in with the casual trek viewers.

Greg (who considers himself a softcore fan, with hardcore tendancies ).

[Aedh Rua]

I have to agree with S. John that the broader themes and values are really what makes Star Trek worth anything. The problem, of course, is that those values pretty much died with Gene Roddenberry.

Voyager is a product, pure and simple, and this shows in the characters, situations, story lines, and, yes the technical details.

This does not mean that TOS, or TNG, or DS9 did not have lapses of story, character, or believablity. Some of the TOS errors and cliches are infamous, after all. But the sincerity of the series makes up for these lapses, turns them into something endearing.

My solution to inconsistancies and lapses is simple. I just ignore what I don't like. There are many episodes of each series which never happened in my Trek universe, and whole elements of the Trek cosmos have been rearranged to make them fit better with real astronomy, real history, real biology, and so on.

The sad fact is that the inconsistancies in TOS and the movies alone are not possible to be reconciled into any kind of coherant universe, much less when one adds TNG, DS9, and (Gods forbid!) Voyager. I say sad fact, and yet Star Trek is still worthwhile because of a hopeful vision of the future, an idealism which has been out of fashion since the 60s.

To get anything out of it, I have to be aware of the broader vision, ignore the stupid parts, and pick and choose what I like from its universe to inspire my own imagination.

LUG Trek, by the way, went farther than any other source I have seen in creating a consistant, believable Star Trek cosmology, and stayed truer to the original vision than have Braga, Berman, and company. Not bad for an RPG....

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Slan agat!

[darkwing duck1]

Originally posted by Sjohn:
When the films tried to establish that Sulu - the best damned pilot in Starfleet - had doubts about his abilities to fly a shuttle without computer aid (when we've seen him comfortable with a Huey in a previous film) I was offended.

Sometimes I think EVERYONE but me missed the point of that scene. Wrong-handled acting aside, Kirk WANTED Sulu to do a "bouncer"! In the confusion of the aftermath, Kirk hoped to catch Sybok and his people off guard.

Things went FUBAR when the Klingons attacked, throwing Sulu's timing off. Instead of a planned crash, they got a real one. It says something for Sulu's skill as a pilot that they didn't simply ram the rear of the Enterprise directly!


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Deo Vindice!

[Hugh Casey]

Y'know, argueing cannon, continuity, or "real" science in Star Trek is just a case of too many worms for one can to hold.

Hugh


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"Sell your soul to the Philadelphia Science Fiction Society... ASK ME HOW!"

[Sjohn]

Sometimes I think EVERYONE but me missed the point of that scene.

If I had a nickel for every Star Trek fan who has similar feelings about some aspect of Trek, I could buy the franchise.

[Caretaker]

Hey, SJohn, that's not too bad of an idea. Interested in Rick Berman's job?

[Sjohn]

Not when I think of some of the other things I could do with all those nickels