Next series ?

[Sjohn]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but give me a frickin' break! This is obviously a scam, a deliberate misinformation campaign designed to throw everyone off track regarding the development of the new series.

I don't know who's bubble you're referring to. We've been hanging out, agreeing how fake it is, for a couple of days now.

[Joe Dizzy]

I have to agree with Sjohn here..

I think it's a fake too, but since you can't speculate about what Decipher's up to forever, and since there is more or less a date on which all will become clear hopefully (15th March)
The trekking masses need new toys to play with..
I was just hoping for some interesting speculation about a new show or commentary about the strenghts of Star Trek, etc. ..

Demagogic Joe

[Cmmdr JT Wayland]

I just read the news story on trek today, and I thought if it is true, then Parmount must be in serious trouble, because those character concepts are absolutely rubish.
Unless Paramount get their fingers out, the next series won't last a full season, let alone seven seasons.
I still believe, their best bet is to carry on the DS9 Story line and set the new series in the post Dominion War Universe.
To sumerise: I have a very bad feeling about the new series.

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[mactavish]

Yeah, okay... sorry. I reread the thread and actually realized that everyone thinks it's fake. I guess that I just missed it the first time through.

I think that the Star Trek Babies rumor, on the other hand, might be worth investigating further.

Brunching Shuttlecocks' Alternate Universe Channel

mactavish out.

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[Dr. Jonas Bashir]

Section31 and TrekWeb already dismissed the casting sheet as a fake, thanks to a communication they had with a casting agency. Check www.section31.com 's top stories.

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[Christian]

Also, it breaks continuity in that Spock was pretty much firmly declared the first Vulcan in Star Fleet.

If you are going to spread bogus rumors, at least make them GOOD bogus rumors. This one is too obviously a fake to provide hours of worthless conversation to the Trek online community.

[Joe Dizzy]

..and as we all know Berman and the VOY people love continuity.
Seven's History anyone? Or the eugenic wars?

I think, the concept itself could be interesting enough for a trek-rpg session, not a TV series though.

[Christian]

Sorry, Joe, that came out wrong.

I wasn't talking about you spreading bogus rumors disseminating this information. If I thought it might be true I'd throw it out there as well - I'm DYING to know what the next series is going to be.

What I was refering to was the person that obviously spent some time and effort developing this hoax to distribute to the online community. THAT was the person I was referring to that should at least give us credible hoaxes to waste our time on! ;-)

You are right about Berman and continuity though, unfortunately. How about the totally different characters cast in the Zeffram Cochrane role between TOS and First Contact? Not good.

[Treefrog]

I personally would prefer a Capt. Sulu series. Let's slow down a little from the hustle and bustle of the 24th century and bring back one of the characters that was with a series that started them all.

Back in 1997, I was lucky enough to have met Mr. Takei, and even then, there was a grass-roots campaign to have the next Trek series be a Sulu series. IMHO to have only one film with him in the Captain's chair, and then nothing else except a 'nostalgia' episode of Voyager doesn't do enough for him. Besides does anyone else feel that that episode ended kinda lame?

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[Eric R.]

Just a rant here

But No, No, No, No! Why do people think a series based around Excelsior will be any more better than the BOTF Idea? It would face the same problems in that there could be no threat to the Federation existence, any explored regions would have to take into account the fact you can;t get to far ahead of TNGs frontier.

Acting and writing would be stale at best because of the whole Continuity thing. NOw don;t get me wrong I think a series of made for TV movies would be best for this kinda thing. (Heck for a minute I thought that maybe the supposed cast sheet could have been a call for a series of TV movies based on the BOTF idea. it would be cool to see the Romulan Wars the Birth of the Federation and one or two adeventure of the first Starships in Starfleet it would add to canon and depth to the whole.) And one more thing would it be prudent for Paramount to turn its back on a setting (TNG era) which is so well developed that it has tons of props, costumes and film methodolgy collecting dust in a wearhouse sitting unused?

[Christian]

I would love to see the Excelsior/Sulu setting developed, but I tend to agree that it is unlikely Paramount will do so.

There's actually quite a bit more wiggle room for scripts in the pre-TOS days, and a chance to get away from the TNG utopian ideals (which many find somewhat stagnant) and get back to the brawling in the bars that made TOS so much fun!

What I'd like to see, but definitely won't happen, is a series of interrelated stories delving more into the various races backgrounds. Put together an exploration style sector - with something of tangible value to several races - then take several starships and do an interwoven storyline from each ships point of view. For example, a Fed ship, a Romulan ship, a Ferengi, a pirate, etc.

Start them independently but tie in each plot line together, and have active competetion/conflict among the groups as they try to get planets to join their Gov'ts, etc.

Then throw in a sector wide threat that forces them to cooperate, and puts their home gov'ts at risk, and see what happens.

Add a few cameos, you could probably get several big name actors that want to be on a trek series but don't want the commitment or typecasting, and voila! Instant series.

Its rare that any of these shows have anything socially poignant to show me (but its cute that they keep trying). What Trek does have is a vast mythology of interesting characters and ideas. Use 'em!

[Salinger]

Originally posted by Christian:
Start them independently but tie in each plot line together, and have active competetion/conflict among the groups as they try to get planets to join their Gov'ts, etc.

They can barely manage this one in a series with a single cast. I have my doubts they could tie it together over a bunch of different casts.

Just my thoughts, though.

.Sal

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[AslanC]

Here's a thought, hire JMS and have him work the overall story thread. I may have disliked Bab 5 but I can respect his ability to weave a continous tale

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[Gareth007]

Just to preclude flaming, yes, I realize that this cockamamie piece is probably *hopefully* bull, but I'm expressing my opinion of this entire train of thought by folks at Paramount. The fact that this WAS considered at one point (albeit in a slightly altered form) is enough to make me quake in my boots.

If this series gets green-lighted, I personally will never watch it. Not only will it be painful to watch carboard box style mechanics again -- it's great for nostalgia, but knowing we can do so much better than that today is just too painful to bear for me.

But the major problem is the complete eradication of most continuity and storyline. Sure, Berman and his buddies managed to make a similar revision in First Contact -- turns out Cochrane's first flight wasn't to Alpha Centuari after all, it was really just out to Pluto and back. Who knew? *Shakes head in disgust*. But to do away with everything we know about the origins of the Enterprise and the starship program in general. It will just require too much monkeying to get me to go against the idea that Robert April was the designer and "father" of the Connie project, and that he named the first vessel the Enterprise when it was under his command as a favor to JTK's father is just too much.

If they go with this, it will simply confirm in my mind the fact that the studio doesn't care a fig for the opinion of the people who have supported their shows -- even Voyager -- in their hunger for a hope of a bright future.

And the reason it's really sad is that there is such a WEALTH of other areas to explore. Something after the Dominion War and the return of Voyager.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see a series where they dealt with the reprecussions of having the Federation recently bloodied by the Dominion War? So they're concerned that people are sick of the "kinder gentler" feel of the TNG era. They just had a war, people. That's going to change things dramatically. It would be so easy to mirror real events, too: Perhaps the Federation withdraws its mandate for Exploration, feeling that isolationism is the best, a la America after WWI. Their withdrawal from the rest of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant could then lead to renewed hostilities between the Klingons and the Romulans, into which conflict the Federation reluctantly becomes a part. Follow one ship which is part of the defense force, trying to protect the borders of the Federation. Perhaps even force them to go exploring to find a way to solve the problem.

But please, don't rape and pillage your own continuity guys.

--G

P.S. the ideas represented here are given freely to the public. If anyone from paramount should happen to notice something approaching a good idea (I'm not sure there is one) then please, feel free to capitalize on it and get rich as fast as you can. Just give us a GOOD, ORIGINAL SERIES in the process.

*Computer. End Rant."

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[Phantom]

Well said Gareth007! I would rather see a show based on one of the other governments then the ideas expressed in the, albeit bogus, casting call. Particulary a Romulan series. Know it would never happen but i think it would be interesting.


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