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FYI,
No Daleks In New Who
The BBC confirmed that the Daleks will not appear in a new Doctor Who TV series after a failure to reach a deal with the estate of late SF writer Terry Nation, who created the metal monsters.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m...07/06/10.00.tv
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Originally posted by Jem'hadar
FYI,
No Daleks In New Who
The BBC confirmed that the Daleks will not appear in a new Doctor Who TV series after a failure to reach a deal with the estate of late SF writer Terry Nation, who created the metal monsters.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m...07/06/10.00.tv
WHAT? NO! :eek:
Let me do . . . one thing to show my feelings on this:
eek!
That's like Star Trek without... Klingons!
The Estate of Terry Nation you are being silly!
I had also heard they were behind the hold up on the new Blake's 7 show too!
To be fair, Aslan, it's hard to know who's being silly, since we don't know what the Nation estate was offered for the right to use the concept, what it asked for, or how either offer stacks up against industry standards.
But I do believe that the BBC should have done whatever was necessary to get these key villains in the new series. They're Doctor Who's arch-nemesis, after all.
Maybe, but do you think Terry Nation would have approved of this? Estates are always th family of the creative individual who tend to thin it is worth a lot more money than anything else. Look at what Herbert has done to Dune? Now that said at least the Tolkien estate has some respect for the work.Quote:
Originally posted by Fesarius
To be fair, Aslan, it's hard to know who's being silly, since we don't know what the Nation estate was offered for the right to use the concept, what it asked for, or how either offer stacks up against industry standards.
But I do believe that the BBC should have done whatever was necessary to get these key villains in the new series. They're Doctor Who's arch-nemesis, after all.
No, I doubt very much Terry Nation would have stopped a Dr. Who show from using Daleks.
YMMV
Terry Nation's estate was offered close to One and a Half Million pounds according to one of the papers here. They have denied the BBC use of the Daleks in the new Doctor Who for the simple reason being that they fear the new writers will make the Daleks "too evil". :rolleyes:
What a bunch of frellwits!
"Too evil"??? wasn't that the point of their creation? to have beings devoid of any messy things like emotion, that have turned against even their own creator as I recall... I can't say that I love those little salt & pepper shakers of unmitigated destruction but c'mon, they are so very Who.
The only thing I can think of to say really is:
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!
EX-TER-MIN-AAAAATE!
To be honest, even if the Daleks returned to the new Dr. Who, they'd have to be seriously re-designed for them to be believeable. The rolling pepperpots just wouldn't fly in this post-Syd Mead era of SF movies and TV. But, the pepperpot shape is trademark of the Daleks So, if they were redesigned, a number of fans wouldn't accept them. So, the loss of the Daleks, as they are now, wouldn't be the problem some think it is.
The thing I think is more important is the casting. I wasn't happy with the choice for the new Doctor (Would have preferred Richard E. Grant) and I hope they take serious considerations when casting The Master! (Here's hoping for Forever Knight / Lexx's Nigel Bennett!)
Was it the Nation Estate that were responsible for the way the Daleks were, briefly, portrayed in the Fox Networks TV movie of Dr. Who? They were the Judges at The Masters Trial.:eek:
Well, that might depend on *how* they were redesigned. Sure, a fan could take the position that if the Dalek doesn't look like he thinks it should (a rolling pepperpot, for example), then he's going to think it sucks.
OTOH, I believe the Doctor used their dependence on wheels and floor current against them at least once. You'd think they'd work on a way around that problem. Especially since the *real* Dalek is a lump of protoplasm (or something) inside the part we see, which is basically a travel machine / armored suit. Nothing says that "suit" has to look the same all the time.
Well, if the Daleks are retired, all I can say is..
bring on the Cybermen! :D
Actually in some of the later eps, before it went on hiatus, they did get around the whole needing current to move. They used an AG sled and some type of teleporter.
And, yeah, I could do with more of the Cybermen. The real Borg.:D ;)
Hmm well I think it's probably for the best. For one thing you shouldn't make too much of a good thing - if every episode of startrek had the Borg in it would get boring :D
Besides there are several other bad guys, notably the Cybermen - let's just hope Patrick Stuart doesn't set his high price lawyers on them when they start spouting 'you will be assimilated' like he did with Red Dwarf LOL
The Dalek's are really too silly and far too iconic to be brought up to date - you could not, in reality, have them as a plausible bad guy in todays savvy audience - I mean yeah when I was a kid, they were terrifying and all OOOHHH AAHHHH but even back then I could imediatelly see that they would be doomed if only someone put some stairs in :D (don't correct me yes I know they could float in later episodes, but they were like a HUGE sitting duck as they moved up the stairs in geologic time!) If you took the other route and 'updated' them - imagine the uproar! I don't think I could cope with all of the tedious fan debates about them. I mean EVERY TIME someone does something new with an alien bad guys - Klingons, Cylons and now Dalek's there'd be a bedroom Jihad as thousands of closet Doctor Who fans would rain destruction on the BBC :)
After so long I think it will be good if he found a new bad guy, refresh the stories, do something NEW, even if it is the Cylons (compared to the Dalek's they were relativelly underused) even if they do look like Bungle wrapped up in tin foil :D
I also can't see how they can be made to be MORE evil, so total universal conquest and destruction is what - evil lite ? I suspect what he means is effective.. In the same way that the Cylons are now quite decidedly nasty, instead of being comically useless as the Dalek's are now :D
Does "no Daleks" also mean "no Davros" do you think?
Strictly Speaking
Hmm well really it has to as he is half Dalek whenever we've seen him! I'm not totally sure on the back history, I can't remember if he invented them or not, but he's certainly the person who's pivotal in their swathe of destruction accross the universe, so I can't see much point in including him, unless perhaps they could find him at an earlier stage (before he did the whole Dalek thing) just being a regular evil genius and homicidal maniac :D
He might also be included within the whole intelectual property issue of the Dalek's too.
Davros indeed "invented" the Daleks using the Kaled (his own species) as a basis and projecting them to what he saw as their ultimate evolution through what basically amounted to genetic engineering, but removing all those irritating positive traits. Of course, they also were physically weak, but then so was he so that didn't matter; he used the same technology that he used in his chair to create their shells.
I would like to see the Sontaran/Rutan conflict expanded on. The Sontarans have proven themselves a worthy enemy, since (to my knowledge) no other aggressor race in the Dr. Who mythos ever invaded Galifrey, except the Sontarans. :)
I could do without the Daleks in a new Dr. Who, as long as a good background story was offered. Perhaps a Coalition of the all the races the Daleks subjugated finally fought back and destroyed enough units as to make them a lesser power.
Well the Daleks must have eventually been destroyed because otherwise they would be ... masters of the universe and would own Galifree :D
I wonder how far the prohibition against the use of Daleks would go.... can they not be mentioned by name or must they be mentioned only by vague wording if at all "There were a bunch of little dictators in salt-n-pepper shakers around here but we finally got rid of them for good..."
I think that it might not be a bad idea to have them destroyed as a part of canon, even if you don't really mention them outright. Have it be an effect of someone going back and actually accomplishing what the Doctor tried and failed to do: eliminate them at the source (temporally-wise). Then you have something that vaguely looks Dalek-like appear on camera (like a worker drone in some advanced culture that is totally mechanical but has a shape that suggests the Daleks) and the Doctor says "That reminds me of something... but I just can't seem to place it..." As a result of their defeat they have essentially been erased from time altogether and no one even remembers them anymore.
As a true test of Whovian knowledge (which I do not pretend to have in abundance) what kind of effects would that kind of 'fundamental erasure' have on events in the Whoverse Time scheme? In other words, what kind of conflicts do those lil'nightmares get into that might have been resolved differently based on their absence?
From what I can recall, the Time Lords would still know what happened. I thought that their knowledge (at least their collective knowledge) was beyond the effects of the time stream.
I seem to remember that the Doctor often knew that something wasn't right when he traveled to a place that was out of sync with the reality he remembered.
Oh, come on why don't you ask a hard question?:eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Publius
As a true test of Whovian knowledge (which I do not pretend to have in abundance) what kind of effects would that kind of 'fundamental erasure' have on events in the Whoverse Time scheme? In other words, what kind of conflicts do those lil'nightmares get into that might have been resolved differently based on their absence?
This is one of those temporal paradoxs Janeway always warned about.
Well, let's see what I can remember, or find in a quick scan of FASAs Dr. Who;
-the war between the Kaleds and the Thals would have ended very differently.
-the War between the Daleks and the Movellans would never have happened. Hey! The Movellans would be a good villian race.
-The Marie-Celeste would have made it to its destination.
:eek:
-and 4 major Dalek invasions of Earth would not have happened.
Generally, the universe would have been a much nicer place.:D