[CODA] Norexan-class Warbird (from Nemesis)

[Essex]

<B>Norexan-class Warbird*</B>
(All the text info was taken from the Daystrom Institute Website)
<I>Romulan Battle-Cruiser, Commissioned 2378</I>
Notes : Relatively little is known about these ships - they certainly have photon torpedoes and disrupter weapons, they have cloaks and shields. Their sleek lines are relatively high performance suggests a recent design, possibly even within the last few months.

Two of these ships joined the Enterprise-E in battle against the Scimitar in an attempt to prevent Praetor Shinzon from using his Thalaron weapon against Earth. Both were disabled in short order, indicating that the Norexan class are not generally a match for the Sovereign class ship.1

Most probably, these ships are a result of the Dominion war. The Romulan D'Deridex did not fare especially well in the war despite its great size, and many predicted that the Romulans would move toward smaller, more sophisticated vessels in the future. Although the Scimitar itself seems to indicate that the Remans at least continue to pursue the idea of the "supership" concept, the Norexans indicate that the Romulan fleet has learned its lessons well.

<U>Hull Data</U>
Structure: 35
Size/Decks: 8/23
Length/Height/Beam: 603/911/94
Complement: 552

<U>Tactical Data</U>
Disruptor Banks: Class 5 (x5; Pulse; E)
Penetration: 7/5/5/0/0
Quantum Torpedo Launchers: Mk 95 (x3; D)
Penetration: 7/7/7/7/7
Deflector Shield: Romulan FSQ (D)
Protection/Threshold: 17/4

<U>Propulsion Data</U>
Impulse System: Romulan Class 5 (.95c; E)
Warp System: Type 5C6 (5/8/9.6; D)

<U>Operational Data</U>
Atmosphere Capable: No
Cargo Units: 80
Cloaking Device: Class 4 (Rating 22)
Life Support: Class 3 (E)
Operations Systems: Class 3 (E)
Sensor Systems: Class 3 (+3/+2/+1/0/0)
Separation System: No
Shuttlebay: 1 aft
Shuttlecraft: 8 Size worth
Tractor Beams: 1 ventral
Transporters: 4 personnel; 4 cargo; 4 emergency

<U>Miscellaneous Data</U>
Maneuver Modifiers: +2 C, +1 H, +2 T
Traits: Pulse Upgrade

These stats have been edited to reflect the changes and errors mentioned below.

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For the technical specs, go to http://www.ditl.org ; go to "Other Ships", skim down to the Romulan section, and select "Norexan".

[BouncyCaitian]

only class....8 is it? It looked bigger

[Sea Tyger]

1. What is the ship's size? The Size/Decks entry seems to only include the number of decks.

2. 16 size worth of shuttlecraft, from 1 shuttlebay?

3. I don't recall any screen information supporting Ablative Armor. Was that something you added on your own, or did you base it on evidence from the movie?

4. Pulse upgrades are only allowed on phasers.

5. What did you base the Operations Systems Vulnerability on? From what I remember of the movie, I really wouldn't consider getting their butts kicked by the Scimitar evidence of a system vulnerability.

[Essex]

Originally posted by Sea Tyger
1. What is the ship's size? The Size/Decks entry seems to only include the number of decks.

Oops, my bad. Typo.

The ship is size 8. Its dimensions were odd, if you check its sizes compared to the size scale, so I picked what looked to be a balance.

2. 16 size worth of shuttlecraft, from 1 shuttlebay?

Oops, once again, typo. I just reformated another Word Document Ship entry I have on my PC and forgot to change a few details over. Its 8 Space worth.

3. I don't recall any screen information supporting Ablative Armor. Was that something you added on your own, or did you base it on evidence from the movie?

The ablative armor information I got from the Daystrom Institute website. EDIT: I just doublechecked my info, and it seems that it only referred to High Density Armor, which is tracked differently than Ablative Armor as far as the DITL is concerned.

I removed the Ablative armor, and the Vulnerable Systems: Operation, as that extra 5 space I mention below is suddenly no lnoger needed.

4. Pulse upgrades are only allowed on phasers.

Ah, you are correct, but I can easily see someone being able to adapt this technology to other weapons. The exact technology be different, but achieving a similar effect wouldn't be hard.

The DIT write up included pulse disruptors, so I thought about it for a while. I was a little reluctant to do it, but the disruptor effects bore it out.

5. What did you base the Operations Systems Vulnerability on? From what I remember of the movie, I really wouldn't consider getting their butts kicked by the Scimitar evidence of a system vulnerability.

Because I was trying to build this to specs and I needed 5 more space. I already ate off 5 of the structure. I noticed that with one rapid burst, the Norexan was crippled, but life support was stable. I took that to be an Operations flaw.

Honestly, as written up, this ship needs more space to REALLY work. But from the few comparative shots we get from the movie of the warbird and the Enterprise-E, they looked roughly the same size.

[Sea Tyger]

Originally posted by Essex
I just doublechecked my info, and it seems that it only referred to High Density Armor, which is tracked differently than Ablative Armor as far as the DITL is concerned.

I removed the Ablative armor, and the Vulnerable Systems: Operation, as that extra 5 space I mention below is suddenly no lnoger needed.

One way to simulate "high density" armor is to use Hull Plating (SS p.22). Of course, this costs more than mere Ablative Armor (ship's size in space), but it might better reflect the DTI writeup.

That way, you can get your vulnerability back into the equation.

[Essex]

Ehhh I can't use the DTIL writeup for everything. Like all RPG ship systems, its IMPOSSIBLE to build a ship to their true tech specs.

Check out the ESO's version of the Scimitar. How many disruptor banks did Worf say it had? How many does it list on the ship description? Its impossible to fit all these tech details into a ship's write-up. I just use them as guidelines and move along.

For example, I take the number of Technical Weapons banks and divide by 2 to get an idea of how many banks the RPG ship version should have. Its a good guideline, for the most part.

For example, inspired by the Ascendant-class, I've built a Sovereign-refit Heavy Explorer with a Sentient Computer, and a few other expensive toys, and I've been forced to take it from Size 8 to Size 9 (the rational is they added a 5 decks to the top of the secondary hull, giving the sovereign a bit more of a neck; and gull wings a la Enterprise-B to the sides of the deflector array to containt the special modifications).

Hmmm, I may have to post the writeup of that here later. Have to convert it from my ESO worksheet to a Word Document, so I can CnP it...

[Sea Tyger]

Originally posted by Essex
For example, I take the number of Technical Weapons banks and divide by 2 to get an idea of how many banks the RPG ship version should have. Its a good guideline, for the most part.

That's a quick and dirty way of doing it. If possible, I like to estimate the actual coverage of the beam weapons by adding the sums of the horizontal and vertical arcs for each bank/array. From there, I count one Coda beam weapon per 720 degrees of the sum total. I think that's the most accurate way to approximate the ship's beam weaponry.

[Essex]

Good Point.

And I've discovered I SUCK at starship design. I completely missed the fine print on the weapons and shield systems that mentioned the discounts Heavy Explorers get on those systems.

Also, did anyone else notice the near worthlessness of the Type XII Phaser? It costs an extra space per weapon, but it has absolutely no damage increase. The Type XI Phaser can be bought for one less space per unit for the same punch. The only reason to ever take Type XII is if your ship is Size 5 or 6. Any smaller you can't have it; any bigger take the Type XI and save yourself some space.

Between that little oversight on the Heavy Discount and that little efficiency oversight, and I suddenly got 12 Space back in my design. The Sovereign refit now fits EXACTLY into a Size 8 vessel (119 Space).

I'll have the stats in a new thread for amusement value later.

[Sea Tyger]

Well, looking at it in a metagaming aspect, you're probably right about the Class XII phaser. In an effort to simplify the starship combat system, the Coda gurus had to forgo detail; thus, you have a phaser system that appears useful to only Size 5 and 6 vessels.

But within the realm of Trek, the Type XII probably has a number of benefits over the Type XI that just can't be quantified in the abstract Coda ship construction system.

Of course, it's your ship, but I always feel its better to build designs to a concept, and not to just the number crunching.

[Essex]

I agree wholeheartedly, but in this case, my vision was a touch too grand, and I am resorting to Number Crunching to make it come about.

It worked too. I built EXACTLY what I wanted, flaws and all, for 119 Space, the exact max Space of a Size 8 vessel. I just had to exploit that loophole to get the last 6 Space I needed.

[Qstor]

anyone have the ICON stats for this ship?

thanks

Mike

[The Tatterdemalion King]

I'm pretty sure these things were bigger than the Ent-E...

[Essex]

In terms of "wingspan" yes, but from the unofficial stats I've been able to find (there has been nothing official released on these ships with the demise of the Star Trek franchise just after Nemesis), its dimensions for the crew-carrying parts of the ship, put it comparable to a sovereign-class starship.

[The Tatterdemalion King]

In terms of "wingspan" yes, but from the unofficial stats I've been able to find (there has been nothing official released on these ships with the demise of the Star Trek franchise just after Nemesis), its dimensions for the crew-carrying parts of the ship, put it comparable to a sovereign-class starship.

If you compare the depth of the wings with other ships, though, they'll probably be a few decks deep.

[Essex]

Yes, but traditional ship design for Romulan and even Klingon vessels of similar design philosovy treat the wings like a cross between Federation warp nacelles and weapon emplacements: very little to no crew in those sections.

As I said above many moons ago, the specs I found for the Norexan cross three different size categories spanned a different one for each dimension: 7, 8, and 9. I went with 8 as the median.